Bosch 800 with crystal dry or something like that , model SHV878ZD3N.

Have you cleaned the filters on the GE Cafe? Short video on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ivKtS2l28E . Also try running a dishwasher cleaner (packets at supermarket) after cleaning the filters out.

For new, Bosch dishwashers are excellent. New models pop open automatically when the cycle finishes to let the steam out. Upside down plastic tupperware may still have a few water drops, but it's 99% dry after it pops open a few minutes.

I don't put any stock in detergents that claim to include rinse aid. Rinse aid goes into the final rinse. Dishwashers typically run two rinses after the main wash. Mine runs three rinses on the Heavy cycle. Detergent is gone down the drain by the last rinse.

A Miele model with the auto door open feature. At the end of the wash cycle the door automatically opens a few inches and releases the steam/heat. Dishes come out clean and dry.

I have the Miele that Chispa referenced. It's model #G6665SCVISF. It has a built in pan and sensor to prevent floor leaks. Everything comes out dry except when I I neglect to keep the rinse aid reservoir filled.

Bosch Bosch Bosch and make sure to find one with the quick wash cycle I use that 90% of the time MIne is 13 yrs old no repairs and I run a catering biz from my home so often 6 -8 loads per day.

Yet another plug for Bosch -- got mine installed late June and am thrilled with it.

We purchased a kitchen Aid dishwasher last June to replace a 19 year old Kitchen Aid that finally gave up the ghost. My main requirement is that it had to have a drying cycle with an actual drying element. Pre Covid we entertained a lot. I would prepare as much as I could beforehand. Needless to say I didn’t have time for things to “air” dry. I needed them in and out and ready to go. We bought a higher end KitchenAid. I believe the less expensive did not have a heat cycle. Can’t remember the model number but it has the usual three racks, and also LED lights that come on for a few minutes then turn off. It is much quieter than our old model and the cycles do take longer but they are all like that now a days. I really like it, does a good job at cleaning, it’s efficient and drying is an option if you don’t want it don’t push the drying cycle. You can add an extra 15 minutes of drying on top of the 30 minutes if you need it.

Yep, Bosch, and Cascade Platinum pods. I always used Cascade, but when I recently changed to the Cas.Plat. I couldn't believe the difference, no more tea stains in the mugs for ex., more expensive but worth every penny. Always use rinse aid, keeps your glasses from etching.

Bosch 300 series now 4 years old. Before that, had a bottom tier Bosch for 19 years. For me, the only problems drying were (and remain) the concave bases of cups, mugs and some glasses where water can pool when they are upside down. Was skeptical of the third (cutlery) rack but now strongly prefer it. (The cutlery basket that came with the DW is relegated to use in the basement next to the utility sink). I've had no issues with the bottom rack but YMMV on that. Like Patricia Colwell Consulting, above, I mostly run the quick cycle. Takes about 50 minutes with extra drying enabled. When I need to get the contents put-away quickly or to run another load (when entertaining), propping the door partway open after a quick cyle run pretty much has everything dry to the touch within 5 or so minutes. Same result if I leave the door closed for an hour or overnight. Timer for the long cycle initially says it will take 2 hours 30 min but actually completes in takes just under 2 hours. (After the long cycle, the dishes are mostly dry but too uncomfortably hot to touch for a few minutes so I also usually crack the door if I need to clear the dishwasher right away.) My 4 y.o model has been superceded. As best I can tell, the latest 300 series models are very similar but I don't know enough to speak to actual cycle times. Also, as Dadoes observed above, an inch or so of water remaining at the bottom of a filter sump has been normal with every DW I've owned or used.

Another vote for Bosch - replaced the GE that came with the house and this is quiet and cleans everything without having to hand wash first.

Both of my sisters built their homes, did their research and decided on Bosch. They both recommended Bosch when my dishwasher died. Betty's is about 15 years old, Susie's is 7 years old and I have had mine for about 6 months.

Clean the filter and amazingly, place dirty dishes in the dishwasher. Evidently, they clean better when the dishes are not rinsed.

Bosch, and I clean the filter at least twice a month. I’m always surprised at how much is on, in and around it.

Miele with auto-open.

When I used to empty the DW the next day (after running it at night), pretty much everything was dry, except perhaps the concave bottoms of our mugs, which is to be expected. But now I empty it at night so I can set up the coffee maker for DH with the parts we clean in the DW. Sometimes I empty the DW as soon as it’s finished running or auto-open drying, so my plastics and glassware are wetter than they would be if I’d waited. But I know this so I’m not bothered by it.

Another plug for Bosch. I have a 2 year old 300 series that replaced a craptastic Whirlpool that died before its fourth year. I use Cascade Platinum pods and Finish Jet-Dry rinse aid with the dispenser set to “5” because I live in a hard water area. Heavy/Sanitize/Extra Dry is the usual cycle-dishes are merely scraped and filter cleaned once a month. Dishes are hot, clean and dry-some plastic has a few drops of water but aren’t soaking wet.

Bosch. We flip properties and it's the only dishwasher we will put in them. I've personally had everything from the 800 to the 300 series, both are great, but I prefer the 800. A family member recently purchased the Cove dishwasher and it is awful.

BTW I love the platinum too but of you have any aluminum it should not be washed in the DW with that detergent. My KA mixer has aluminum paddles.

Ditto, Bosch. Hubby balked at initial cost but now loves the results. He even does the loading and unloading...win!

Bought a low end Bosch ($700) because I didn't plan to use it, and planned to sell the house; neither happened.🤔 Amazed DW is great.

Bosch and even though we use the speed wash cycle to save water and electricity, it cleans perfectly, no spots or residue and drys well (some plastics occasionally having drops of water). We use Cascade Platinum and Finish Rinse agent off and on.

I'm pleasantly surprised by all these favorable comments about Bosch dishwashers! I researched for years before purchasing the GE Cafe and decided against Bosch because of the bad reviews - smelly inside, wet dishes & glassware when cycle finished. Bosch must have listened and made some product enhancements like Crystaldry. We spent about $1000 on GE Cafe (plus installation, etc) in July 2019. We're renovating our kitchen now and wonder if I should purchase a new Bosch or stick with the GE Cafe?

If you like yours, your model number?

We prefer not to have one that has a cabinet front since our new cabinets are already been ordered.

And a big thanks to all of you for your invaluable feedback! What a great community!

I had a Bosch at our last home and loved it! It was my absolute favorite dishwasher. We moved and our dishwasher needed to be replaced at our new home and I immediately tried to buy a Bosch. Because of the pandemic, they were out of stock everywhere and I didn't want to wait months for a dishwasher. We purchased a Miele with an auto-open feature. It was a splurge, but it is amazing! It cleans just as well as the Bosch and it is just as quiet. However, the auto-open feature means that all my dishes are always dry. As much as I adored my Bosch, I'd probably replace with the Miele since having dry dishes is a great luxury.

I don't think you could go wrong with either brand, but the dishes weren't as dry with the Bosch. That wasn't a deal breaker, but dry dishes are really nice.

Ours is the bottom of the line Ascenta Bosch. Most people get the upper end models, but this one cleans just as well those. Flat front panel. I love not having a bar handle sticking out. It's the little things in life. $450 summer 2020. The smell issue comes from this being an airtight machine and the door will shut fairly tight when not in use. Yes, things will start to stink if not aired out. Common sense. I solved that problem by clipping a clothespin-like clippie thing to the front end of the top rack when not in use. No more smell. Mine is fussy with which detergent I give it. Use good detergent. Cascade, Finish Quantum (mine hates the Finish Powerball tabs and will smell like fish if I use them). Trader Joe's powder works great too. Use the Sanitize function. It heats the water to 160F. Makes a positive difference in outcome. Skip the Normal cycle. Learn how to remove and scrub out the filter. Bosch makes it easy to do. It will accumulate scuz that needs to be removed--that can start to stink too if not cleaned. I use an old toothbrush. Takes 10 seconds. Good luck with your purchase!

ETA: bring your bowls and pitchers--things that are different shapes to the showroom and try loading them. The bottom rack is not for everyone. I've made peace with it, but it's not what most previous non-Bosch owners are used to. fyi

@jennsbabysky The newer Bosch have the same auto open feature as the Miele.

@Jennifer Hogan That's great to know! That wasn't available when I purchased my old Bosch.

I just purchased the Bosch 500 SHP865ZD5N a week ago & installed it last Friday. My 8 year old Maytag broke & we had already put the control panel on it 2 years ago & it leaked from the door every once in awhile. So far i love it. It has the Auto Air & it works well. Plastic lids in the 3rd rack are wet, but I never used heated dry on my 2 Maytags, so that doesn't bother me. Ceramic coffee mug bottoms are dry. I have only used the auto & will try putting sanitize on tonight to see if the drying is better. I have no problem loading, other than still figuring where exactly to put things. It is different than Maytag, but it holds as much or more. My roast chicken dish came out sparkling using the extra scrub. Even my husband commented that the glasses come out shinier. YMMV

Due to Covid Bosch manufacturing has shut down so limited availability on 800 series, 14-16 week delay. I found a SHP878ZD5N but it has a pocket door instead of round tubular (like the rest of our appliances).

Does anyone have this model that they can share their experience?

Dishes & glasses & silverware sparkling clean are a must! :)

We had a Bosch 800 in our last house. LOVED it. We put it in when we did a kitchen reno. In our new place we had planned to do another Bosch but the deal with KitchenAid was really enticing and I loved the KA range. We love our KA dishwasher. It is fantastic. I can put in dirty grimy grill tools and even the grill pieces and they come out looking new.

I hope you find a DW you love.

What is your KA model number?

Does anyone have a pocket handle on their dishwasher? Do you like it? Or do you feel it shows more fingerprints than a bar handle but our appliance contact says he only has the pocket style.

I have a pocket style handle and I originally didn't want it because I like hanging a kitchen towel on the handle ;) But the one with the recessed handle was on sale (considerably), and hanging a towel wasn't enough to turn down a $500+ discount. I don't mind it at all, but I'm not really bothered by fingerprints ;)

@lbucelli

Were you asking me?

We have the KitchenAid® 23.88" PrintShield™ Stainless Steel Built In Dishwasher-KDTM604KPS It has a 3rd rack and is very very very quiet. So quiet my husband has accidentally opened it while it was running. We needed something quiet because the kitchen opens up to other rooms. It has been great we love it.

Thermador Sapphire - love it. Have had 2 Bosch which I loved too but the Thermador is a step up.

Following, our 11 year old GE is getting ready to go.

We have an 800 series Bosch and are very unhappy with it. Constant clogs and water pooling and leaking. Son has an older model and similar issues. Cleaning the filter just doesn't seem sufficient to keep these functional. Wish we could get a hard food grinder on a decent machine. I'd be fine with a few more decibels noise for something maintenance free.

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Bosch 800, 5+ years old, quiet, dishes and utensils come out sparkling clean and dry. Some larger plastics may have a few drops of water, but a few minutes on our drying matt, or a quick wipe with a towel does the trick.

Yes, keep the rinse aid reservoir filled. We use either Cascade pods, or Finish.

@lbucelli, please humor me. Before you go out and purchase a brand new machine. I want you to try this.

https://www.amazon.com/Cascade-Phosphates-Professional-Fryer-85-oz/dp/B00VHD3LGO

https://jillcataldo.com/phosphatedetergents/

This box of Cascade is a rebranding of Institutional Cascade. You are probably staring at this, and saying, what on earth is that. Well... it's a formula of Cascade Automatic Dishwashing Detergent, that was sold prior to the domestic ban on Phosphates in June 2010.

The detergent is a high performance, chlorinated, and it has a built in Rinse Agent. I'm not promising a miracle, but, I'd say there's a good coin toss chance, that it may solve your issues. If this truly can't get your dishes clean, I would swear on my life, that nothing probably will.

I would also try to use a cycle with Added Heat, and Read your Manual to see if you can turn on extended heat / additional drying. Your model may also have a "fan dry" option, like my GE Cafe (mid 2020) does.

Laundry Mich,

Thank you for your suggestion! I will order your recommended Cascade.

Currently using Finish Max-n-1 tabs along with Finish rinse aid. I put on Hi-Temp Wash and Normal Day for a 2 hr 54' cycle. I understand that water will remain on rimmed glasses, but mine is cloudy. I know dishwashers have changed over time but the water that remained on my rimmed glasses was never cloudy with my old GE Profile machine.

Next time I'll try the normal, hi-temp and ultra dry which will be 3 hr 34'.

I must admit that I haven't used the Pre-soak & Sanitize feature yet.

We really want a Bosch but have been told it may be another six months before we get stock in New Mexico. I can manage without a dishwasher for that long, but the rest of the family object to the wait. Does anyone have experience with the KitchenAid model KDTE204KPS. A few articles I've read say it's very comparable to the Bosch SHP865ZPJN and maybe a little better in terms of reliability. Find that a bit hard to believe since our KA fridge has only been OK. Also, what's your experience with getting "open box" appliances at Best Buy? Are they usually OK, or do they tend to be duds that were returned for performance issues? Thanks again!

I have experienced in my home owner time (45 yrs), Kitchen Aid, Kenmore, GE(?) and Bosch. My favorite all time...and one I would wait for, is Bosch.

@lbucelli, one more thing I want to suggest. Obviously try to use a cycle with additional drying, but I would play around with the rinse aid dispenser on your machine. If it's currently set to 1, I would turn it up to 3.

If it's currently on 5/6, I would turn it down to 2. Play around with it, and see if the glasses come out cleaner. In a lot of cases, LESS is MORE with Rinse Aid, but if your water is really hard, a high dose is better.

In addition, before starting the Dishwasher -- Run the Faucet, until the Water gets nice & hot. Then start the cycle.

Definitely tell me if the Ultra Dry, and Cascade Professional makes a difference.

@rowly1122, just know, you'll be purchasing a Whirlpool Machine (which owns KitchenAid, Maytag, Amerial, etc)

I, personally, have had very decent experiences in life with Whirlpool appliances. But, I can also tell you, it's not going to clean as well as a Bosch.

Laundry Mich, you're my hero!!!! The Cascade you recommended worked! And I only used the 'auto' cycle, without the dry cycle and without hi-temp wash. Thank you so very much! Will let you know how it works on future cycles.

Meile is my go to for dishwasher Pricey but worth every penny. Had them for years in my old house and put them in again in new home Now 7 years old and never an issue. I use plain old Cascade powder and Jet dry and everything is clean and dry. Quiet as it is in my open floor plan kitchen, never hear it. Sleek front with now handle sticking out to whack your leg on.

I came here to help pick out a new dishwasher because my 10 year old Bosch has the black moldy funk that has resisted all of our efforts to kill it. I just order the Cascade Fryer Boil cleaner someone recommended so that will be my last ditch effort. Dishwashers are very backordered right now but I don't know how much longer I can take this. About 4 months ago we started to notice some serious funk and our dishes are not even remotely as clean as they used to be. We have endlessly cleaned out the filter, scrubbed it all down, used vinegar and baking soda, lemonade powder mix, many different dishwasher cleaners but it all just comes right back a moment later. I think that the pipes must be completely mucked up too. Just so gross! Anybody else?

I’m on my third Bosch in over 3 decades, loved them all. Never repaired one. All are still in use in canning kitchens, church basements, etc, having been rehomed. But my sis recently bought a top of the line Maytag with a cool third rack, and man does she love it. Says nothing ever comes out damp or dirty. Very functional layout, better than my Bosch. It has created some envy deep in my Germanic heart.

@Jennifer Lofft: Try these easy things. 1-If you have an air gap cover on your sink, remove it to see if it's clogged with skinny things like toothpicks, chicken wing bones or cherry stems. 2- Did you clean out the nickel-size filter next to the tiny white plastic impeller? It's where bits of glass, corn kernels and cherry pits often end up. Check youtube for how-to demonstrations on your model.

@Jennifer Lofft, if you can, please try to run the HOT water tap until the water comes out Scalding, before turning it on. And use a "High Temp", and "Heavy" cycle. Hopefully, the combination of the three, in conjunction with the high-powered detergent, will solve your issues, or minimize them.

@lbucelli, I'm so glad to hear it worked. Like I said, more often than not... these dishwashers just need better detergent. :D