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Replace my Rose with an easier plant

5 years ago

I have one rose bush that I've had for years because it is sentimental - the rose is the same name as the business that hubby & I founded and was a gift from my late mother. At that location the shrub was about 4 ft tall with massive flowers that were held up on strong stems. I had a local rose grower propagate it for me when we sold the business and brought it to our new home.

The business was located on the farm and when my husband sprayed the fruit trees, the roses also got sprayed. Now that we live "in town" (8 years) my rose has problems. The flower heads flop - it does not have the strong stems in this location (I blame that on the different soil). But worse, the Japanese beetles are relentless. I spray them, but need to do it at least once a week. Which I don't want to do.

I'm pretty much past the sentimentality because of the flopping flowers, providing lunch for bunnies, and the Japanese beetles.

My question is - can you suggest what to replace my rose with? Something about 3 ft wide and tall.

Full sun, clay soil, zone 6.

The garden bed is not big (only about 10 x 25 ft) and my larger plants are coneflower, daylilies, daisies, peonies, iris, two shrubs.

I have thought about a Bobo hydrangea, but would like suggestions for summer flowering something.

Many thanks for helping me out!

Comments (11)

  • 5 years ago

    Maybe Double Play Doozie spirea? I think they top out at 3x3…I have two of them (new last fall) and I really like them so far. I got rid of my roses because of the Japanese beatles as well. There are also some pink dwarf Annabelle-type hydrangeas, like Invincibelle Ruby, that bloom earlier than Bobo. I have two Rubies also, and the only thing I don’t like about them is that they’re so slow growing. Mine are in full sun, zone 5b/6a.

    vina538 thanked lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan
  • 5 years ago

    Also consider Little Quickfire hydrangea; it blooms earlier than Bobo, but does get bigger, I think up to five feet, though mine are wider than they are tall. Its blooms start off white and then progress to various shades of pink as the summer goes on. It is truly one of my favorite shrubs!

    vina538 thanked lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan
  • 5 years ago

    Yes, Big and little Quickfires are excellent hydrangeas. They don't wilt in the sun, either, which I think is a plus. Among the earliest blooming, too.

  • 5 years ago
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    we need to know where you are to even start offering suggestions of what will grow there.. big city name ... zone is simply predicted minimum temp on the coldest day of winter.. it tells us nothing else.. and z6 is about half the US ....


    and the best suggestions will also probably come.. if you could post us a pic of the spot ...

    ken

  • 5 years ago

    I live in mid Niagara Peninsula, close to Niagara Falls, Ontario.

    The rose bush that is departing is maximum 3 ft wide & tall. I have an Iris behind it that I don't want blocked by a shrub when it's blooming in late May. I looked up Little Quickfire Hydrangea and it looks beautiful (pretty, long flowering) but I'm afraid it is too big for the spot.

    In pic, see how bad the rose looks - flopping flowers, rabbits have been pruning it (but that's a separate problem). There is a serviceberry tree to the left of the Liatris. I just cut back the tall bearded Iris behind the rose (sun is shining on it). I can move the Liatris, small box shrub, and white Iris. Immediately behind the Rose Campion is a young Creme de Mint Dogwood (max. 4 ft tall & wide) that will reach the cut back iris & Coneflowers next year. To the right of the Coneflowers are more Coneflowers, Peony, Day Lilies, Daisies. The Creme de Mint (so pretty in winter) is my "large shrub, filler, anchor" and the rose replacement needs to be smaller with green leaves.

    I was thinking of Bobo Hydrangea and am listening to suggestions about Little Quick Fire Hydrangea. Someone living in my area growing Little Quick Fire - how big will it get?

    Thank you, everyone!


  • 5 years ago

    I’m finding it difficult to see what’s wrong with the rose. The foliage looks very healthy. I don't see much flopping either but could it be because its overfed? There isn't a lot of space for another shrub.

  • 5 years ago

    Not your zone, but my Little Quickfires have been in the ground for four years and the largest one is about 52” tall and wide. They don’t stay small, but they’re a fantastic shrub if you can make room for it.

  • 5 years ago

    I have an Iris behind it that I don't want blocked by a shrub

    ===>>>

    then move the iris ... i see the variegated one to the left.. .and i think i see cut back iris behind the rose ...


    flora.. i think this a JBeetle issue more than the rose itself ... and i agree get rid of JB prone plants... if you dont want to spray them all the time .. lifes too short ...


    i was hoping for a more general pic.. rather than this rather close up shot of just the rose ... so we could see the rest of the bed.. to see what might fit ...


    the thing with shrubs is they dont stop growing at say .... 3 x3 feet estimate.. and then you are signing up for a lifetime of trying to beat them back with a stick... or preferably ... pruning shears or lopers ... which is fine.. as long as you understand what you are signing up for ...


    anyway.. my point is.. if i failed to get there .. just dont look at the spot.. look at what easily be moved .. perennial-wise ... to open a space for a more permanent shrub ... wonder if that is any clearer ... in other words.. get of of the box you are sitting in.. and think outside it ...


    ken


    picture yourself out in the lawn looking at the garden bed: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cat+in+small+box&t=ffab&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

  • 5 years ago

    Ken is correct - the Japanese Beetles are the biggest problem. And correct again is that I don't want to keep pruning a shrub to fit. Moving plants to give a shrub room is no problem.

    Here are 2 pics - one looking from the right, one from the left. I'm pretty satisfied with the right half of the garden (the daisies need to be divided). But the rose was supposed to be a full, lush shrub and it's not. I need something with more presence on the left. As I said before - the tall bearded iris (behind rose) has been cut back. And the Creme de Mint Dogwood (behind Rose Campion) needs to grow up again - it fills in the whole centre are.

    I am happy to move the smaller plants on the left side, I'm planning to "re-do" the variegated iris. (The empty areas in front seems to be the bunny cafeteria)



  • 5 years ago

    What about caryopteris?

    It is hard to come up with ideas that are going to be small enough.

    vina538 thanked mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)
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