I like the idea of using the front closet and moving the DW to the right of the sink. The current closet space would give you a nice storage area for dishes, Do you have another dining area? An island with a prep sink would be convenient, since there wouldn't be much space between the sink and range, if the range is moved to the North wall.

A side-loading pantry to the left of the fridge would give you storage where everything could be seen at once--probably about the same amount of sf you have now with the deep pantry. 15-18" depth should allow for housing of smaller appliances.

If using 30" deep counters, upper cabinets can also be deeper, to increase storage space. I included two options for a MW--in an upper to the right of the fridge, or 30" drawer across from the fridge. I wouldn't bother changing the angle in the garage, or the small angle in the hall, since neither will make that much difference (unless you really want a corner susan). I can't read the measurements, so drawings might not be exactly to scale.

If that's the only dining area, you could gain some space between the sink and range by moving the sink to the right:

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Thanks so much for the rework idea (and I'll try to get a layout with bigger type--yes it's tiny). This includes the only available eating space, which is one of the reasons I want to open up more to the living room so we have some breathing room around the table.

Thanks for mentioning the microwave positioning. It's currently on the counter in the scrap of space between pantry and stove. Not ideal, but out of the way and leaves more counterspace free in the long space between stove and sink. My last house had it built in above the cooktop and that was fine. It gets a fair amount of daily use but I don't want to look at it if I don't have to; I'd rather open a door or drawer if it isn't built in.

New upload of the current floor plan with bigger numbers on the measurements. I've now read the Ice Water Stone Fire post https://www.houzz.com/discussions/2699918/looking-for-layout-help-memorize-this-first and that has me really looking at that move of the fridge over to the right of the sink, cutting into the front closet to get the space to do it.

Looking at your photos, I see a very large footprint available for some creating zoning of your new remodel. This immediately reminded me of one particular brand I ran across during research for my own kitchen, Pedini. This is an Italian brand with showrooms worldwide. What made the connection in my mind is that Pedini is particularly known for creative work with peninsulas and islands in the middle of large, boxy spaces like yours. Even if you aren't in the market for Pedini, I think you would find inspiration by doing a Google image, Pinterest, or other online search for examples of Pedini's designs. Their home websites are not really as picturesque as you'll find by doing a straight image search via Google or another browser. They do a lot of work with peninsulas extending through the middle of a kitchen and also some freeform island shapes. Note that you can also often buy discounted Pedini cabinetry from showroom displays on Ebay. Here is one example of a freeform central island from Pedini:

I am right handed and prefer the dishwasher on the left for some reason. If you are looking for the least amount of $$--the kitchen looks really big. Is it possible to have a stovetop island with a downdraft fan? Then you could do a stacking oven/microwave and would get rid of the overhead fan hood problem. I would swap the closet and the refrigerator as suggested earlier, but the way the closet is built I am wondering if it is supporting something?

Does the wall behind the range exist as an angled wall in the ?garage?. Cause it looks like one of those things somebody thought would be cool - so they just walled across the corner. Then they did the hall closet wall too - for no reason. But I am suspicious of the wee little wall that has the book shelves. There might be something in it.

I think the refrigerator to the right of the sink ( with a cab or DW in between) is a good idea and then you could move your range to the garage wall and vent it out through the garage. That would give you a lot of space to work in, between the sink and stove.

@bmorepanic, yes, the wall is angled in the garage. This builder appears to have looooved angles. There are 3 angled walls in the kitchen. They serve no particular purpose although the one in the hallway (outside corner of the kitchen, so to speak) at least creates a bit more openness coming out of the front hallway into the living space.

On the other side of the wall between kitchen and living room there's a very high ceiling with an angle down to the outside wall. I suspect you're right that the "little" angled wall (that one that's in the living room wall) has a structural role.

@Karenseb, the funny thing is that there's already too much counter space between sink and stove so moving the stove around against the garage wall would add to one of the problems. In terms of efficiency I walk back and forth, back and forth, for little things that wouldn't require much movement if the counter weren't so long. I do want the counter space for things like rolling out dough and doing big prep but in a different spot. Just squeezing a garlic clove into a pot and then disposing of the skin in the compost bucket at the sink requires a "hike". My last kitchen had a usable but smaller amount of counter space between cooktop and sink, then more counter and a peninsula that gave me all the space I needed for baking tasks, cookie racks etc. Better distribution of the elements, less wasted motion. It didn't quite match the Ice Water Stone Fire lineup in that link I shared above but it worked well enough.

Thank you both for commenting with ideas. It all helps me clarify and refine the possibilities.

A large workstation sink is disruptive of the sequence you've read about in older posts, if you are interested in researching that. You have room for one, and it is a completely new way of working. I mentioned Pedini because they have some unique workflow ideas for larger box-shaped kitchens. Please take a minute to do an image search because I cannot possibly copy all the different layouts individually to this thread. The thought processes for kitchen design are always morphing, and large workstation sinks are one of the emerging ones. Here is a great intro video to give you an idea of the possibilities: https://youtu.be/zQlVWCCXT7U

@heidi perov I read somewhere on this site the idea that if you're right-handed it makes sense to have the dishwasher on the left because you hold the dish in your left hand if you're doing anything with a sponge or scrubber and if the dishwasher is already open you'd just set the item straight into it. This only works to some extent--if I need to pull out the top rack, for example, I'd still have to involve my right hand. But it does feel reasonable, so I'm less concerned about moving the dishwasher than I was. The reason I'd still do it is so I don't end up with the oven and dishwasher really close together once I rotate the stove to the north wall.

Remember, if you get a workstation sink you will likely have a wide sink to accommodate the number of accessories you select, and whether or not you have two faucets and which side your drain is on will play a role in how easy it is to get your dishes into the dishwasher without dripping, depending on which side your dishwasher is placed relative to the features I listed above. Default drain side is the right, but you can usually specify the side, especially if it is a custom workstation sink.

If you don't rinse your dishes before you put them into the dishwasher, then you don't need to put it close to the sink. Pre-rinsing is a water waster and many manufacturers recommend that you don't. https://www.homeserve.com/en-us/blog/home-improvement/should-you-prerinse-dishes/

It is helpful to know your dishwasher's capacity and how you will use it ahead of a remodel if you don't plan to pre-rinse. My own dishwasher leaves stuck food behind occasionally without hand pre-rinsing, but I also don't run it after every meal. It takes a couple of days for me to fill it up enough to run. I turn my faucet off between rinsing of each item to conserve as much water as possible.

You asked me today on someone else’s thread if I had pic of kitchen. I’ve included a few. To the left, not in photo, is another run of cabs that included a wine bar and coffee bar, separated by full height wine fridge and pantry cab.

Thanks @Susan Murin--what a gorgeous kitchen!

@partim @Aglitter Thanks for the thoughts on dishwasher use. We've been up close with what comes out of a dishwasher filter if you don't rinse off at least the big chunks and we're both pre-rinsers as a result. It's pretty awful.

We're careful water users generally, compost the food scraps, do other things to minimize our footprint. And I really can't imagine having a dishwasher that *isn't* in proximity to the sink. Even if you don't rinse everything you rinse at least some things, and the combo of "fill the dishwasher, handwash the rest so you're done with the dishes" means the two are associated as the scullery/clean-up space.

I love that guests can access the wine bar, coffee bar, and fridge without getting into my work triangle. Though my kitchen is large it is beautifully functional in that the work triangle is very compact and the storage is very intuitive- someone can cook in here for first time and easily find everything. The appliance cab is the deeper one that extends down to the counter. Most of my little appliances are in there and plugged in (toaster, juicer, blender)…I just fold the door back and pull them forward for use and they don’t clutter my counters. Outlets are under cabs except in coffee bar area, where they are in the backsplash but hidden by the 2 coffee machines. A lot of thought went into this kitchen, which is first one I ever did from scratch. Only regret is not making my prep sink bigger. Good luck with your project!

I've always thought most prep sinks I have seen were painfully small.

Agreed @Aglitter--they often seem to look like a tiny bar sink good only for filling a glass or coffeepot, not actually prepping. That size has its uses but it isn't a prep zone.

Barbara, I just saw your question about by 30 inch deep countertop. The house is still not done, so I can't provide feedback. Sorry. Hope your remodel was a success!