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Leaf miners in swiss chard seedlings :( :( :( :(

4 years ago


Hi everyone!

My schedule has changed drastically...I have not been able to be here at all. I miss not being here and my friends. <3


I grew some swiss chard seedlings (several varieties).... I hardened them off and put them outside, waiting for a few days until I can plant them. For the first time in my life I saw leaf miners and every single of my chard seedlings had them. These seedlings are averaging 2-4 inches. I cut off the infected leaves and sprayed them with spinosad. That was about 4 days ago. Last night, so about 24 hours ago, there were leaf miners on them again. I brought the seedlings inside, looked at them carefully and EACH leaf had 3 or more clusters of the white eggs in addition to some leaves having leaf miners in them. I scraped off the eggs, cut off the hurting leaves and sprayed again with spinosad (+ BT this time) and put them outside this morning.


I took a look at the seedlings late this evening and some of them had eggs on them already. How is that even possible? Wouldn't the spinosad make the parent bugs too sick to do anything?


This is intense. I am so tired I just let them be, I will figure out something in the morning.

I really, really, really want to be able to grow my chard. But how, if the seedlings are hit so hard already? Incidentally I have kale seedlings, basil, other leafy greens and some other kinds of seedlings sitting side by side and none of these is affected.



For the last little bit I have been reading on how to control leaf miners.

a) Spray with spinosad.

b) Spray with spinosad and BT together

c) Spray with Neem oil

d) Use Neem oil soil drench

e)Yellow and blue sticky paper traps.


Getting to leaf miners within the leaf tissue is the nubb right?

How often am I supposed to spray with the spinosad and BT so that some of it gets absorbed into the plant?

How often can I spray with neem oil? Can I spray with neem oil at all at this stage? These are seedlings...maybe they cannot handle neem oil?


Neem oil soil drench: this sounds hairy for seedlings too. However this might be a great idea for mature plants but here is what I worry about:


If the neem oil is becoming systemic would I not taste it in the leaves and fruit? Neem is BITTER and STINKY!

Secondly, but not least, wouldn't the emulsified oil affect the soil structure and kill off soil microbes?


Folks, please give me some ideas how I can protect these seedlings and grow some chard.


I would also love to hear what your thoughts are (or experience is for that matter) on using neem oil in a soil drench.


(For a minute there I thought I could use neem oil soak on my summer squash plants and get around squash vine borers, maybe not. Not if that stinks up the squash. Maybe it is worth a try though).


Thanks a million!

Comments (8)

  • 4 years ago

    I've had problems with leaf miners on chard off & on... some years severe, some years nothing. Chard grows quickly, and does equally well planted in both cool & warm weather. If this is an intensive egg-laying period (as appears to be the case) it might be best to just destroy those plants, and try again in a few weeks. Chard is one of those veggies I've planted as late as July 4th, and still had a good harvest.


    BTW, I've had my best results with chard when it was planted adjacent to cowpeas or yardlong beans. The wasps attracted by the cowpeas seem to act as predators to anything else nearby, most notably aphids. I had virtually no insect damage on chard last year, grown next to climbing cowpeas.

    katyajini thanked zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin
  • 4 years ago

    I find that almost nothing I grow is worth the cost of treating---both literally and environmentally. First off, most issues go away completely when a plant is stronger. Your chard may bounce back once it's planted. Stick some seeds between your seedlings in case you lose some. I ordinarily don't believe in removing leaves before they're totally dead---it just makes the pest move farther up the plant---but Flora's comment about the eggs being laid internally got me googling, and removing the leaves is advised in this case, because that's where the eggs are---inside the leaf tissue.

    katyajini thanked annpat
  • 4 years ago

    Hi and thank you everyone.


    I saw rampant leaf mining on the seedlings. I removed the affected leaves because if the larvae were still in there I did not want them to complete their life cycle.



    These are the eggs I took pictures of today. Many a times the leaf mining tunnels start right from the eggs.





    There are at least several species of insects that have leaf mining larvae. That is what I understand. I have seen pictures of white eggs exactly as above described for leaf mining insects.

    I dont think I have been negligent. It is hard to describe how fast things are going from zero to decimation.


    Well I hope to get my whole lot of leafy greens in the ground in the next three days. Its good to know that in ground the plants will become far more robust.


    @zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin: Thank you. Good to know starting over in a doable option!



  • 4 years ago

    @zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin: the egg laying is frenzied indeed. This morning I removed all the eggs. Came by less than two hours later to take another look and there were eggs again. Many of them. These bugs are carpet bombing eggs.


    I finally got some blue and yellow sticky traps and set them up. Lets see if this affects the egg laying on those leaves in anyway.

  • 4 years ago

    Seeing the seedlings now I can see there is a large amount of mining. More than I had imagined. Also the plants are rather large not to be have been transplanted out yet. The later you plant out the more likely they are to bolt prematurely. For future crops, I would either direct sow or plant out at a much younger stage so they can get those tap roots going down and nourishing the plants and not receive such a big growth check. Part of the reason they're getting hit by bugs imo is that they are under stress from still being cramped in those containers. I've always found that chard shrugs off pretty much anything if it's growing lustily.

    katyajini thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    @floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK: Thank you so much!. I will be getting those guys in the ground now. Hopefully they will pull through. Very useful information for me what you wrote.

  • 4 years ago

    Once I started using yellow and blue sticky traps and the egg laying on the chard dropped off within hours. The chard has been completely unharmed and happy since then. How lucky something so simple turned out to be so effective. Catches hundreds of mosquitoes too and no bees.


    @zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin why do you say you have even planted chard till July 4th. I suspect this is very naive but why wouldn't you be able to plant chard by July 4th or even later? If chard is a biennial and you harvest in a cut-and-come-again way what is wrong with planting transplants now or in July? And I understand that chard plants can handle some heat too. Your answer would clarify a lot for me!


    thanks!

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