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Best (for me) laundry soap in Miele W1 ?

2 years ago
last modified: 2 years ago

I am in the US, and am buying the base unit washer WXD160 WCS
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Is the Ultra Phase Sensitive system usable without TwinDos ? Other recommendations? Reasonably priced hopefully.
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I plan to not use any "softeners" as in chemicals intended to make clothes feel softer, does the vinegar help do that? Nor will I use any fragrance beyond maybe a couple drops of essential oil in the wool dryer balls. My son has skin conditions exacerbated by them
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I love the idea of Dr Bronner "Sal Suds" https://www.drbronner.com/products/sal-suds-biodegradable-cleaner
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No matter what product, I plan to use absolute MINIMUM quantities possible, starting at half what is specified, and ideally reducing from there. Longevity of the machine is TOP priority, even more than perfect washing performance
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but so many advise more "modern" detergents, especially designed for the Euro HE front loaders, tiny amounts of water and heat, weaker agitation. Enzymes? Biological detergents for protein stains? Only use when needed (blood, plant / food stains) ? No good for wool though I understand
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I do not want strong acids or bleaches Is "optical brighteners" just bleach? Harmful?
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Finally, we have pretty hard water apparently, as in limescale forms. Is adding vinegar a good solution for that ? (heh heh)
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Is vinegar too harsh / acidic as a cleaner, from a spray bottle using microfiber to wipe down the surfaces, door seal ?
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Should I look for a detergent with "water softening agents" ? How? I believe citric acid is the usual one?
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Thanks in advance

Comments (10)

  • 2 years ago

    Vinegar (mild acid) can reduce fabric harshness if there's residual alkalinity from detergent but vinegar does not contain fabric lubricants as does softener.

    Optical brighteners are not bleach. They make whites and light colors appear brighter by absorbing UV light and emitting blue-violet light (minimizing yellow-ish light reflection), resulting in a similar effect as laundry bluing.

    Best additive for hard water (if there's no whole-house mechanical softener system) is a non-precipitating chemical softener such as STPP (sodium tripoly phosphate), which is the complex phosphate that were removed from detergent years ago.

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    First: Be sure to turn the 'Maximum Rinse Level' in the programmable settings. This will improve rinsing quite a bit. It explains how to do this later on in the manual.

    Second: Since you have hard water, I highly recommend using a more powerful detergent that will be able to cope with your water hardness. Be sure you aren't using a 'detergent' that may cause buildup (detergent or mineral) and ruin the machine you just purchased. As dadoes stated, STPP is a great way to help combat this.

    Third: I highly recommend a detergent containing enzymes. My personal recommendations would be either Tide Advanced Oxi (Costco) or Persil Oxi. Both can deal with hard water, clean really well, and can be dosed at a lower quantity without too many issues. The Persil does not have as strong of a scent compared to the Tide.

    johnnewengland thanked Dorian Crouse
  • 2 years ago

    Skimping on detergent in a hard-water situation increases mineral and soil residue in the washer since much of the detergent ingredients are caught-up in the water hardness and less is available to deal with the laundry soils. A slippery feel between fingers rubbed in the wash water is an indication that water hardness is properly handled.

    Over-rinsing can be a factor of causing mineral residue in hard-water situations, leaving deposits on internal washer parts when the residual water evaporates (including where rotating drive shafts meet rubber seals).

    johnnewengland thanked dadoes
  • 2 years ago

    In my Miele, I use Tide Free and Gentle liquid. It's a wonderful, low sudsing detergent that does not contain any optical brighteners. I get perfect results using just under 2 tablespoons per load witrh the maximum rinse level enabled. I also turned on the allergy setting so most cycles get an extra rinse.

    johnnewengland thanked littlegreeny
  • 2 years ago

    If your looking to use as little detergent as possible, buy a TwinDOS model. I don't think you will regret it.

    johnnewengland thanked luna123456
  • 2 years ago

    In CR's tests, Tide Free & Gentle did not perform well enough to earn a recommended rating. Persil Free & Sensitive did earn a recommended rating and is available at Walmart.

    johnnewengland thanked wdccruise
  • 2 years ago

    I have crazy dry, crazy sensitive skin. I use Charlie's Soap as my detergent and add a heaping tablespoon of citric acid powder and some white vinegar where you are supposed to put fabric softener. With the Charlie's Soap, I add in some borax and some STTP. This all works pretty well for most loads. I add some Oxiclean White Revive for white loads.


    The vinegar and citric acid powder work great and do absolutely no harm. I use them for a final rinse of my hair as well. They work great for that too.

    johnnewengland thanked hisown
  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    It recently came to my attention that borax is precipitating for water softening functionality. STPP is non-precipitating. Borax has other benefits than just water softening but I'm not enough of a chemist to know whether it clashes with STPP on that point, or how the dosage should be arranged if both are used.

    johnnewengland thanked dadoes
  • 2 years ago

    For liquids and powder Ive standardized on Persil. I refill the W1's cartridges with off the shelf persil.

    johnnewengland thanked davegvg