Explain the need for all those stools at your only real work space ? You have a table so close to the kitchen maybe a couple of stools for a snack or a friend to talk to while cooking. Anytime you have pinch walkway that is the time to rethink the layout 33" no way and especailly where the other walkways are 60" I need to see all the measurements clearly marked not just the stuff going in to the space .. Pantry space outside the work space i always find a bad idea. Have you got an actul independant kitchen designer ? I would turn the whole space with the kitchen running parrallel to the dining table maybe . I need info . Can the plumbing be moved I would not have a range close to my DR Post a to scale floor plan on graph paper showing every measurement , all windows and doorways and where those lead , name all th spaces next to this and post here in jpeg format in a comment . DO NOT start another post. Open you mind to other ideas . Nothing in the floor plan except plumbing if it can't be moved . Info about how you cook and you will get lots of good free advice here. .

You can not fit that dining table there, big fat no to the 33" Inch clearance at the cook. You can not put the two stools on the dining end of the island.

The entire cook /cleanup wall looks like a cobble together/mish mash.

Start over : )

In my humble opinion, I do think 33" is too close from stove to table/walkway. I'd at least steal an inch or two from another space.

Another option: I notice that the space is not very balanced. I'd put the stove/hood in center of wall. I'd keep fridge where it is, but put a tall cabinet on the opposite end to balance out fridge height. Not sure if the dimensions work out, but that would perhaps place your sink between the island and the table, dishwasher btwn the stove and sink or btwn tall cabinet and sink.

Or maybe you could put the stove on the right wall cabinet area?

Definitely open to suggestions!

Here's the overall floorplan. Anything in the addition can change including walls, but the footprint cannot go past the lot line on the right.

(Here's a full resolution version of this image)

View from the island area:

View from living room area:

You can see there is a hallway that runs alongside the kitchen leading from the garage to the kitchen to the existing house which has the bedrooms.

• Lots of seating because we have 6 in our family (2 adults, 4 kids) and have relatives over a lot (4-6 guests). Holidays will be here often due to us having a bigger space.
• Lots of island seating because my kids love eating at the bar! Right now I have 3 spaces at my peninsula island where my 3 toddlers sit as I dish out snacks. I'm doing a lot of rinsing fruit, grabbing popsicles, etc. from the fridge while they sit at the bar demanding more food :) All meals get eaten at the island currently, but our table is also presently far away in a separate room.
• How do we cook? We cook eggs/hot breakfast most mornings. We cook hot lunch/dinner meals a few times a week. We do a lot of making cold lunches, cold meals like salads or sandwiches, and a lot of interacting with the fridge & microwave and heating leftovers.
• I want the kitchen to be fairly open/easy to navigate for a bigger family interacting with it, hence the bigger 5' walkways. In the future our young kids will be working with us in the kitchen and getting their own food. They already do some helping bake etc. In my present smaller U kitchen, people get in each other's way since we frequently have 3 adults in there trying to do tasks (e.g. grandma, mom, and dad all simultaneously using the kitchen).
• We do a TON of dishwashing (run the dishwasher 2-3 times a day and frequently interact with it to add a dish here or there)
• I am also worried about the pantry being a little out of the way of the stove but I am not sure how to fix that.
• Yes, the garage is on the other side of the wall on the bottom.
• I don't think we can put the stove on the hallway wall on the bottom since there will be a lot of traffic there from the garage to the rest of the house.
• Putting the oven in the center is not a bad idea; I have considered it but then the sink is a bit far from the fridge for rinsing and prepping. Perhaps the oven could be center, and then a prep sink on the island to avoid the long trek from fridge to sink.
• No, we haven't hired a kitchen designer; we consulted one but they were inexperienced. We definitely are open to finding a good KD

If the backyard has a scenic view I'd put the kitchen in the gym corner. I dislike kitchens stuck in the middle of the house. Rearrange the gym, laundry, mudroom and pantry along the garage wall to open up that corner.

Agree with aziline - with a large family you are going to be in the kitchen a lot! why stick it in the interior with no windows? gym does not need prime corner location. i would do seperate prep sink and clean up area. Probably 2 dw as well with that many loads!! Ideally dr table could expand into living room to seat enough people for holidays. right now it is crammed in between corner and stove.

if you are keeping current layout you need to slide dw down to fridge to get stove out of your diningroom. you can do dish drawers in island that everyone can reach.

The best views are from where the living room and dining area are.

I haven't tried swapping the kitchen and dining area, I'd imagine that would be something like this:

I like the view from the kitchen a lot more, completely makes sense to optimize the view for where we spend the most time.

However, is this odd having the dining table between the kitchen and walkway to the garage? That walkway next to the dining table will be traversed very frequently since it leads to the garage and laundry room. This version is growing on me but I'm not sure if the dining table is weird there or not.

The second pic is better but I was thinking from right to left along the back wall - kitchen, dining, and then family room. The kitchen will have 2 exterior walls and will be beyond the dining room which is nice when it's blown up from holiday cooking. Current plan I'd expect in a trac home. It's not bad but it's not special either.

Gym and laundry would stay on the right outside walls for windows.

Mudroom would share the interior garage wall.

The pantry could be configured so the door is in the kitchen instead of around the corner. Maybe a door from the mudroom directly to the pantry?

So, I don't want to push the kitchen all the way to the far side of the house where the gym is because 1) I like the kitchen close to the living area, as we like to talk to the people relaxing in the living area while cooking, and 2) one of the adults runs a ton and really wants a nice backyard view from the gym

I had one thought, maybe the dining table could extend the island like this? It kinda fits with our lifestyle of always wanting to eat in the kitchen. I think the flow of traffic could be better this way from the garage to the rest of the house. The table could have leaves and be turned perpendicular with more chairs for bigger events.

While the kitchen in front of the window looks nice, it is not practical. Dishes would need to be in drawers since no uppers by the dw but more importantly, they will be a long distance to the table. In addition, for prepping you are either carrying things to the sink or prepping on the island.

What are the cabinets on the right hand wall going to be used for? We have a situation like that and it is a junk/clutter magnet. Maybe you are tidier but I would rethink perhaps some floor to ceiling cabinets, a dedicated charging station, and less counter top. Or even reach in closets for storage.

If you need another foot of space for the kitchen, take it. Too much space is allocated to the mudroom, the closet, the laundry room, the gym and the pantry. The priority should go to the kitchen dining area. The kitchen doesn't need to extend into the dining space. Move the frig to the right wall with counter to its right. This allows the sink and range to move into the kitchen space. The sink can be 24 or 27" sinkbase. the range can be a 30" induction. If you prefer the range in the center add a prep sink to the island. Sink in the center and no prep sink. Skip seating, which will be uncomfortable, on the island. Regular height seating is a couple steps away.

I see your dilemma. There is something still off. In the last image (I like as well) the pendants are definitely off. Having the sink overlooking the "scenic backyard" would be nice. Walking a little bit is not a huge deal, though I understand convenience. One thought, if you like arches, is to put a large arched window (wider and taller than what shown) over the kitchen sink on the left wall (taking away the outer 2 windows) then you could also put in uppers on the left and right side of that window. If it was a high arch (or high square), it would still let a lot of light in. What if, instead of a tradition door into the pantry, it was all a part of the cabinetry? So it would still look like the blue cabinets but would be the door into the pantry? You would then want to put the Fridge inside of cabinetry panels (as to frame the fridge) as well.

On the other hand, if you just pushed back the Kitchen wall 2 inches (shortening the gym, closet, pantry) it would solve your original plan with table too close to oven. Whatever you choose, I'd personally still shoot for balance.

Here is a plan with a 90" dining table extending the bar:

Here is a plan with the fridge in the hallway area:

I am still confused about whether to put the main kitchen on the back wall facing the yard or not.. : /

Neither plan, keep working at it.

I prefer the table near the windows, but sink is too close to the range.

I would rethink the entire layout.

Consider mudroom, laundry room and gym on the garage wall. None of those spaces need nice views. It's also very awkward having a gym access only through laundry room, with a slider outside?

Move kitchen to the gym space so you can have windows in your kitchen. ESPECIALLY if you are in there a lot and eat there. RETHINK nothing on the island. If the island does not have water it is generally not functional for prep. FINE if you do not want your cleanup zone on the island but it should be used for prep which means it needs a sink. With that many people working in the kitchen etc. having a one wall kitchen would not be a great use of space.

Here is a rough idea of how I would lay out the space.

Yellow is kitchen & pantry. Blue is dining table. Green-orange-green is mudroom, laundry and gym. Not sure what order you would want that in. You could have a large L or U shaped kitchen with an island. You could orient the L with the long side parallel to the back wall, or parallel to the side wall. Lots of different options for kitchen layout if you move it from its current location.

I'd explore moving the kitchen to the far end except that I prefer it to be in the middle. We interact with the kitchen most out of all the rooms, so it makes sense for it to be central vs. the dining room which is not as important to us. Also, the view is much better from the center than the corner where the gym is now. I also like talking to the people in the living room from the kitchen.

anj_p I do like the idea of a U shaped kitchen and hadn't thought of that. Here's what a U-shaped kitchen could look like in the middle. It does open up more space for the dining table:

So then put the kitchen in the middle and the dining room where the gym is. If you can forego upper cabinets you can have a pretty cool space.

I like the U shaped kitchen. I had been trying to think how you could incorporate a peninsula over an island. I would not put a sink in it though. We used my large island for all kinds of crafts and school projects over the years (and still do) that a sink would have interfered with. Your kitchen sink is close. The frig on the end makes for good access without coming all the way into the kitchen.

The u shape is a partial improvement. You seem to need seating. Think about deleting the peninsula with bar stools all in a row. Now you have spce for either another dining table or a much larger single table with more comfortable seating where people can talk to each other.

I like the U kitchen more than the others.

I would want the pantry more accessible to the kitchen, doesn't make sense to have to go around corners to get food.

I do think it is odd to go through the mud room then through the laundry to the gym. Hallway?

All I can see is chairs! Looks like a restaurant!

lol! I always am jn awe of anyone who can have this number of folks in their midst for any length of time !

I’m counting chairs……:)

Regarding the best views, I'm not entirely sure how views can be dramatically different 10' farther from the dining room? Either way, all I did with the kitchen in the gym space is give the kitchen some windows. I would not - I repeat, NOT - put a dining space in the middle of the house with no windows. Gym, laundry, and mudroom are all spaces that can survive with no natural light. Kitchen and dining should have it.

Thanks for all the feedback..thinking of actually going with something like this:

With the dining table on the wall opposite the kitchen. This will keep our dining table close to the kitchen and living room but still in it's own dedicated area so it doesn't feel like an afterthought.

Re: lots of chairs, sounds like you don't have big families! I have 4 kids and 3 sisters, so there are tons of cousins and family that will be hanging out in this open space. I want them all to feel comfortable and not cramped so of course there needs to be lots of seating!