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Any architects/home designers ever experiment with this idea?

2 years ago

Sorry for the clickbait-y title. Couldn't think of a succinct title that fit the character limit.


Anyhow, I like to design floor plans for fun, as I'm not a professional, and I recently asked myself this:


In a two-story structure, why do the bedrooms get the benefit of the higher/better views from the 2nd floor? This may be an inaccurate assumption, but I feel most people spend their time in their bedrooms in the night time when you can't really take advantage of the views. Most people when they are home in the day time are in the main kitchen and living room spaces.


So I ask you professionals, this...


Have any of you ever experimented designing a 2-story floor plan with the bedrooms on the first/ground floor and the main living spaces on the 2nd floor?


I recently had a go at it and I didn't like the outcome. Mainly I find that the inconveniences of 2nd floor living spaces outweighed the prioritization of better scenic views, but I'm curious if any of you found a floor plan like this that's worked?


My main cons to the idea are this:

1) Having to lug groceries upstairs is a hassle. So easy access from garage/driveways to the kitchen is more difficult. I had the idea to incorporate a dumbwaiter from the garage to the kitchen, but that's more expense and maintenance heavy.

2) Guests, especially those with mobility issues, will have a hard time getting access to the main living spaces. The solution here is an elevator, but again more expense and maintenance.

3) Definitely a better option for youthful residents and not so much for the elderly, which affects resale viability.


But all that being said, here are my pros:

1) Take main living spaces can take better advantage of natural light and scenic views

2) You can sprawl the 1st floor bedrooms to fit your sqftage needs more easily instead of trying to fit them into the foot print of the floor below it.

3) 2nd floor can be built smaller than the 1st floor allowing you more stability in the overall building and the main living space can be more open concept with less sacrifice on structure stability, not to mention more flexibility with balcony/patio design.


What are your optinions? Do the pros outweigh the cons? What are some of your solutions to the above cons? Any additional pros/cons I didn't think of?

Comments (22)

  • 2 years ago

    Two words: site specific.

  • 2 years ago
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    There are lots of apartments in my area wit the upside down arrangement, and I know someone who had a house with this set-up. But in each case you enter on the floor with the living space. The shore house we used to rent was upside down so you could see over the dunes and this house you entered at the bottom but really only big grocery trips were inconvenient. But there was an elevator. We rarely used it except for moving in, out, and the first big shopping.

    I lived in one of the upside down apartments. It was fine.

  • 2 years ago

    @3onthetree of course it’s site specific. I suppose I over assumed that people understood it only makes sense if the views make sense.

    @chipsa I’m a real estate agent in my beach community, and most of the 1st and 2nd and even 3rd row houses from the beach are 3 floor stilted homes, but aside from the bottom floor basically being an above ground basement, the middle floor is the main living space and the bedrooms are still on the top floor, or they’re 7 bedroom vacation homes with 2-3 bedrooms per floor, so I’m not really considering beachfront stilted homes. Im mostly thinking about traditional 2 story homes, just, upside down.

  • 2 years ago

    Traditionally, the bedroom sq ft. is smaller than the living area sq. ft. So having the bedrooms on the second floor gives you the option of a smaller second floor.

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    Homes always designwed for the site . We have a MCM ranch with a walkout basemetn where we are on a hill so all of our bedrooms and main living space on the main floor to really enjoy the view the walk out has offices, media room and storage the media room still has bit of the view but no much. This house wastoatlly designed for the view with facing south and huge windows on thta side with large overhangs to protect from the summer sun. God design is always done for real living .

  • 2 years ago

    "Traditionally, the bedroom sq ft. is smaller than the living area sq. ft. So having the bedrooms on the second floor gives you the option of a smaller second floor."

    Not to be intentionally didactic, but the smaller second story put on top of the larger first story is primarily a latter part of the 20th century phenomenon, and an irregularly shaped small second story plopped on top of a larger irregularly shaped lower story to which it bears no relationship shape wise is almost an entirely 21st century phenomenon.

    Traditionally, the house was a rectangle of the same size on both stories unless the upper story was not a full story and impinged upon by the roof, or if it was two different sizes it was a smaller rectangle offset on a larger rectangle, with which it usually shared some walls.


  • 2 years ago

    With regard to the main living and bedroom square footage:

    Again, I’m not a pro, other than being a real estate agent, but every time I design a traditional 2 story, I’m always struggling with the puzzle that is laying out the bedroom spaces. I always end up expanding my main living spaces to unrealistic sizes to compensate for the bedroom layout and square footage I need.

    And yes, with the main floor primary bedroom trend (which I dislike) and keeping the overall bedroom count low, the bedroom sqftage is often smaller than the main living space. But if I want a 4 or 5 BR home with all bedrooms on the same floor, that bedroom sqftage is certainly going to be larger than the total main living sqftage.

  • 2 years ago

    I am not sure that it's necessary though. I grew up in a 4 BR, + bonus room that could have been a bedroom, and the house was the same square footage on each floor. I guess the difference was that there was one hall bath for three bedrooms and one master bath and neither of them were the huge bathroom that people seem to require now.

    I live in a city where the houses are all attached so every house is rectangular on every floor. Many of them though are three story.

  • 2 years ago

    I was in an urban infill house built like this - the light and vaulted ceilings were lovely. entryway directly to stairs was weird/uninviting. many houses have lots of stairs up to them here so not as much of an issue for resale here. i have to carry my groceries up 12 stairs in my house that is essentially 1 story so no different really!

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    Actually this is not to one-up anybody, but in the place we lived in before this we carried groceries up 52 steps. And I think there was another unit where once inside, they needed to carry the groceries up a flight inside the apartment because their kitchen was on the very top floor.

  • 2 years ago

    Yup -- our beach front house has the bedrooms on the lower levels and the kitchen and great room up on what's technically the 3rd floor. Every time I carry the groceries up I wonder if the view of ocean, beach, dolphins, etc. is worth it and yup, it is every time.

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    "why do the bedrooms get the benefit of the higher/better views from the 2nd floor?"

    Trees grow leaves at second floor level and they block the view.


    What do I win?

  • PRO
    2 years ago

    @Mark,

    Would you be open to a weekend in a tree house as reward for your contributions to this thread? If so, e-mail tink@peterpanenterprises.com


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    Mark has a good point there! Our first-floor living areas look straight out into garden views. Our second story bedrooms look out at tree tops and neighbor's roofs. Another reason to have bedrooms on the top floors is traffic. Much nicer to have the active living-area people tromping about below the sleepers, not above them.

  • PRO
    2 years ago
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    Mark always has a good point, usually hidden under the humor. He wins yet another golden retriever......? : ) or a new ensuite at the kids house, where the bed is in the "wrong" locale.

    To be noted, there are climates with trees barren of leaf for six months of the year lol.

  • 2 years ago

    California splits and split entries have the living spaces upstairs, along with a bedroom or two, and other bedrooms downstairs. Not a full flight up or down, but when you take into account the stairs from outside to the front door, that’s a flight.

  • 2 years ago

    In some places, tree canopy Is the view, not an impediment to a view. Better than a line of parked cars.

  • 2 years ago

    Our beach house has this layout. The first floor is the garage, 2nd floor has bedrooms, 3rd floor kitchen, living, dining room and more bedrooms and the 4th floor two master suites. The 3rd and 4th floors have decks with ocean views. We do have an elevator.

  • 2 years ago

    Rather than the view, the best benefit of an upper story is privacy, security and evening breezes. The original purpose of louvered shutters was to facilitate those advantages.

  • PRO
    last year

    I love ranch style homes where one end has bedoorms some with a view and some not but the whole main living space has the view we have one now with a full walk out basement that also has a view since we are on a hill . I think every home needs to be designed for the plot that they are on and the whole issue of security I guess is a must for some people but good design rules . I have never felt unsafe in my ranch.

  • last year

    The first upside down house I encountered belonged to my best friend's family when I was a kid. The house was on a sloped lot with a walkout basement, along a river. Street level had a formal living room and a couple of bedrooms; downstairs was the kitchen, dining, family room, and at least one more bedroom.It was great for access to the outside.

    My son's townhouse is similar to Caroline's beach house, with garage/laundry at ground level, bedrooms and bathrooms in the middle, and kitchen/living room on the top level. Yes, it is a hike with groceries, but he lives a block from a grocery store and usually walks or rides his bike there, so there's never much to carry at once.

    We stay in a 3-story cabin at a resort, with the kitchen, living room, and one bedroom on the middle level. This is great for eating meals on the deck off the kitchen, with a view of the lake. Floor level has a second living room, bedroom and bath; top floor has 2 bedrooms and 2 alcoves with trundle beds.