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Pot fillers: useful or something to maintain

last year

Remodeling our kitchen and need to decide if we want a pot filler while walls are down. We have a medium sized kitchen with about 11 feet unobstructed to a large sink. Also 3 feet away is a fridge with a pitcher for water. Is it something really useful or just another thing to clean and potential for leak.


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  • PRO
    last year

    I have always thought pretty useless but for my clients that make pasta every day I have found a small sink next to the range a very handy idea since IMO it is taking the huge pot of boiling water that is the big issue not the filling of the pot to start. I would never spend the money on a pot filler

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    Thank you!

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    My husband can do the plumbing so for us its only 500-700, but Im also not sure if I want something obstructing a beautiful backsplash.

  • last year

    I use a counter-mounted pot filler to supply R.O. water next to my prep sink. I have had no problems with it. I can fill containers in the sink or next to the sink.

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    This all depends on your layout. 11' to a sink sounds like you should maybe post your plan and get some other suggestions.

    To your original question.

    We have had pot fillers in two houses. My last house had about 11' from stove to sink and it was a godsend. Water gets used more often than just filling a pot and I was so happy not to have to run back and forth with a cup of water when I could just fill it at the pot filler.

    My current house has a pot filler as well, that we asked to be installed given how awesome it was at our last house. Well this kitchen is laid out much more efficiently with only 4' from sink to range, so it's not really that big of a deal to have the pot filler. However, I still appreciate not having to hold the pot while it gets filled if the sink is a mess.

    Personally, I find filling the pot a lot more work than dumping it, since dumping it takes about 5 seconds.

    And you will also find this topic covered ad nauseum on this board, with the same arguments (mostly against). I find the arguments rather thin, tbh. A pot Filler is a convenience. It won't detract from your kitchen. And if your sink is really that far away and you're set on your layout, then I would put one in.

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    Here is the layout..the sink is directly across and the island doesnt obstruct. The fridge is in the middle of the sink and cooktop.



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    I have never gotten the point of having a faucet to fill a pot with Cold water so you don't have to carry it from the sink when you have to carry the same pot full of Hot water to the sink to empty it. Why not have a sink next to the cooktop with a pull out to fill the pot and then you could also empty it there? You could have a cutting board to fit over it when it was not in use.


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    Never felt I needed one and I designed two kitchens without one. Some people love them. Do what works for you and your family.

  • PRO
    last year

    I'm going to assume the OP does not currently use one. Then the question becomes... how much do you wish you had a pot filler now? If you are finding yourself wishing for one, or thinking your cooking would be easier with one, then consider it. If you are looking at inspo pics and trends and wondering if you should add one in just because the walls are open... skip it.

    Same goes for extra sink with faucet. Some folks like them or want them, and others are a pass... it just isn't their need.

  • last year

    Well if you are open to a different layout, I would suggest seeing what people here could come up with. Having the fridge in the middle of your kitchen is not a great design.


    A sink adjacent to a range sounds like a great idea if you have a lot of space in your kitchen. Yours isn't big enough for that IMO.


    If you can INSTEAD get a prep sink on your island, that would improve things immensely. Not sure how big your island is but you need at least 3' adjacent for prep - so you'd need about a 5' island.


    Also, I suggest you put more drawer bases in. Looks like you have too many cabinets. Eliminate the angled corner cabinet. Make sure your clearance between your fridge & island is AT LEAST 4', and that's from the fridge handle to counter, accounting for the size of your fridge and required back clearances. It should be even more if you do not have a prep sink on the island, as that will be a busy aisle. Your layout is just NOT good. If you want more advice on the actual layout, a 2D floor plan with measurements & adjacent rooms would be required.

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    In a high end kitchen design store 10 years ago, the sales person asked if we wanted one and when I said no she said - "Great. They are such stupid bling and I'll be glad when they go out of style! If you have to walk far to fill it you also have to walk far to drain it and draining is the actual hard part." We never got one and have never missed it.

    ereniehanna thanked Kendrah
  • last year

    I don't have one nor feel the need to. The house we rented while building our current house had one. We never used it. My current house has a prep sink in the island which is right across from the range so it is easy to fill a pot at the prep sink.

    ereniehanna thanked Clyde Kalvin
  • last year

    Depends on how large your kitchen is, and what kind of area your house is in. I don't have one, and it's not on my want list. My daughter has a home in a more upscale neighborhood where things like this are expected. The flows faster from a pot filler faucet, so it's nice for filling things like a water pitcher, or a watering can

    ereniehanna thanked sodapopper
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    I’m bugged by a spout with no drain under it. Seems like someday the valve will start leaking or the handle will get accidentally nudged, and you come home to find a whole bunch of water damage.

    ereniehanna thanked John Liu
  • PRO
    last year
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    I can't get past the bad layout.



    I'm certain it may have had challenges.......however? What I see is not great, not efficient at all.

    Can you post the FLAT on paper 2 dimension cabinet plan? The one with the feet and inches of everything.

    Note where doors and openings lead?

    This is a kitchen w/ entry restrictions and windows etc?

    Needs a PREP sink on the island, which appears to be small and probably has a breakfast table near the large window on sink wall.

    The plan needs.........work

    Hard to advise with out the 2d plan, and please do not use screen shots. UpLoad a very legible jpeg, please?

    If the kitchen has not been demolished from it's

    original and is still in current condition, post pictures of that as well , with the 2 d plan,

    All angles.

  • last year

    In general, pot fillers seem like affectations in residential kitchens.

    Pot fillers make sense in some commercial kitchens. If you are going to fill a 60 quart stockpot with water and make commercial quantities of broth or soup or demiglace, say. Since you can’t carry 60 quarts of liquid (about 127 lb of liquid), you fill the pot on the rangetop. The full stockpot never has to be carried away from the rangetop. The liquid is used up - served, boiled off, etc - before the stockpot is moved.

    In a residential kitchen? If you frequently fill large stockpots with more liquid than you can physically lift, then maaaaaybe . . . but I think usually they are just another form of conspicuous consumption.

  • PRO
    last year

    The pot filler here is the least of the issue: ) You still have to carry a pot of HOT water to a sink 11 feet way to be rid of it, and cold water is not dangerous, hot of course.... is


    At which point you have to ask why isn't there a prep sink on the ISLAND? Or.....what's wrong with my layout.....and that's the first problem here.

  • last year

    Never had one but I've yet to hear a good reason for one. As stated many times hot water is more difficult to carry than cold. Filling, who fills a pot cup by cup? Get a pitcher if needed. But the larger issue is water over a stove. Dripping valve, no sink under it, WATER over a stove??? I splash water all over at times. On my stove??? No thank you.

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    I have one and its proximity to my coffee pot makes it my favorite fixture in the kitchen. I wish I had added a small draining sink next to my stove with a deck mount potfiller. Like erikanh’s


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    Only addressing the original question about the pot filler:

    Is a pot filler convenient? Of course it is!

    Is it a necessity? Of course it isn't!

    A pot filler is a handy little item, though it's not a make-or-break. No future buyer will ever choose your house because of your pot filler, nor will any future buyer refuse your house because of its lack. In the grand scheme of things, this is a detail.

    Thoughts:

    The "You still have to carry the pot back to the sink" argument is short-sighted /falls flat, as it assumes a pot filler is good for only one thing -- large pots of pot water, specifically pasta. No, in reality, a pot filler is good for numerous other tasks:

    - Many of us make fresh tea Every Single Day -- it's convenient to fill the teapot AT the stovetop. It's steps saved, and that pot never goes back to the sink for dumping.

    - You're making soup or sauce or gravy, and mid-way through you realize you need to add a bit more water -- the pot filler allows you to do it without walking away /without ceasing stirring. Again, this never goes back to the sink for dumping.

    - You've finished cooking and transferred the food to a serving dish. A pot filler allows you to fill the dirty pot /leave it to soak on the stove -- without taking an extra step.

    - It gives you a second water source (a place for one spouse to fill the dog's dish or a watering pot for flowers) while the other spouse is at the sink -- without putting in a prep sink. A prep sink requires more space /more cost than a pot filler.

    - Finally, if you want to clamp down on the "you still have to carry it back to the sink" argument, consider that for someone who's small, pregnant, disabled, or elderly, eliminating that trip one-way may be worthwhile.

    Another consideration no one's mentioned: If adding a pot filler would require you "bring water into" another wall, I'd lean towards skipping it. That's more expensive /means adding water lines behind an extra wall, which means another spot for a potential leak behind your walls (and expensive backsplash). On the other hand, if your stove is located on the same wall as /fairly close to either your sink or refrigerator, so it requires only a short, straight shot from an already-existing water line, it's a different story.

    A suggestion on deciding whether you'll use it: Put a sticky note on your range hood. Every time a pot filler would've been useful, make a mark. At the end of a typical week, judge how many times it would've been useful for your personal cooking habits. A cook who often prepares from-scratch soups and sauces will probably find it more useful than would a person who has a freezer full of Stouffer's lasagnas.

    Im also not sure if I want something obstructing a beautiful backsplash.

    That is a personal opinion question that only you can answer.

    The flows faster from a pot filler faucet

    Yes, I forgot that.

    I’m bugged by a spout with no drain under it. Seems like someday the valve will start leaking or the handle will get accidentally nudged, and you come home to find a whole bunch of water damage.

    Note that pot fillers have two valves -- one at the mid-point, one at the "dispensing end". So two valves holding back water. The idea that both would go bad at once is infinitesimal.

  • PRO
    last year

    Sorry....... given layout as presented? Prep sink on the island....and still need to see the entire layout, flat.

  • last year

    Yes agree with Jan. Layout isn't good at all and island needs a prep sink. Hopefully the OP hasn't ordered cabinets yet.


    What always bothers me about these discussions are the people who don't have a pot filler and have never had one are the ones chiming in about how useless they are. The only thing they think it saves is one trip of filling up a pot of water for pasta. But like I and @Theresa Peterson said, they are useful for a lot more than that - specifically adding water to what you are cooking (I also use it when I need to deglaze a pan or clean my cast iron when it's hot). I can't really believe I have to explain this but my comment about not having to carry a cup of water is when I need to add a cup of water to my dish. Not that I'm filling up a pot cup by cup. But as I also said, they are more useful in some kitchens and less useful in others, mostly dependent on the layout (usually when the sink is farther from the stove, that is when a pot filler is nice to have), and what type of cook you are.


    The hole in the backsplash is what, 2" max? Just keep a few extra tiles and replace them if you decide to cap the line.


    And I agree, the one way trip argument ALWAYS falls flat, yet people keep making it (maybe these people never use water when they are cooking?).

  • last year

    "It's steps saved"


    If you are the kind of person who calculates this much efficiency in your day, then you will like it.


    "On the other hand, if your stove is located on the same wall as /fairly close to either your sink or refrigerator..."


    If your stove is fairly close to your sink then why bother in the first place?


    "disabled, or elderly"


    You have lots of considerations about your kitchen design that should be taken into consideration to make your space usable. So many that a far walk to the stove should not be part of the plan.


  • PRO
    last year

    We generally don't include pot fillers in our kitchens unless a client specifically requests them. There isn't any additional maintenance really.

    ereniehanna thanked Norwood Architects
  • last year

    I always let the water run for a bit in my prep sink before I fill a pot so that is why I opted not to have a pot filler. I would consider the source of your water (city or well) and the age of your pipes before deciding on a pot filler.


    https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2015-09/documents/2002_5_17_lcrmr_guidance_lcmr_lead_public_education_poster_v1.pdf

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    If you have a pot filler, but not a pot emptier, you might be tempted to over fill your pots. I've never seen the use for one. The other thing is that, behind the stove is subject to splatters and grease. It's much easier to clean a backsplash than to clean all the parts of a pot filler.

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    I have one. We use it -- mainly when canning or making large amounts of pasta. It works for us because the sink is on the other side of the island and we have a prep sink in the island right across from the cooktop. We also made sure to get one with two valves to reduce the risk of having a leak problem. It is not a dramatic piece and we didn't pay a small fortune for it. It's a little bling, but it's more function that fashion. I like having it, especially with the large canning pot. That monster is a lot to have to not only carry but lift out of the sink when full. After canning, I can let it cool down and/or get a 4 c measuring cup or smaller pot and dump some of the water if I want to move it sooner. It isn't impossible to carry, but as pointed out - hot and heavy in traffic areas -- things could happen. If I haven't used it for a while, I do purge a bit of water to clear the line. Would I install one if I were doing a new kitchen? Not necessarily. At that point, we might be downsizing and my pasta pot is all I need for most small batch preserving. I didn't have the pasta pot (All-Clad with a mesh strainer and a steamer basket) when we did the kitchen. If we were to redo this kitchen for some reason, I might do another. Or reuse this one. But most people don't cook for 20 or do canning, so it probably is more bling than function for a lot of folks.

    ereniehanna thanked lascatx
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    I have one now, but probably wouldn’t do one again. It’s not necessary. It is definitely an extra expense for the plumbing as well as the fixture itself. I find I prefer the time saving of using my electric teapot and starting my pots with hot water. You have to be careful when using it not to overflow or accidentally turn it on and soak your stovetop, especially the electrical components. It can damage the ignitors on gas stoves pretty quickly. We had our plumber run the recirculation line for instant hot water to ours, which helps a little on efficiency. Otherwise, you definitely lose any advantage for boiling time because it’s a cold water fill. I also noticed installing a pot filler affected my backsplash design, so definitely keep that in mind if you are trying to do something decorative behind your stove. As far as maintenance, there shouldn’t be any. It’s no different than having a faucet at an extra sink that rarely gets used. There could be advantages if your access to water is far away or if you have difficulty carrying heavy pots of water from the sink to the stove. In my experience, that’s just a temporary advantage, since you still have to carry it back to the sink for draining and cleaning. It’s also convenient if you have the habit of adding a little water at a time to dishes as you cook. It’s always right there at your fingertops. All in all, for me, I consider it a splurge and not a necessity, and I realized I prefer the cleaner backsplash designs without it. Depending on the fixture you choose and plumbing, a pot filler installed usually costs $700-2000. If you do decide to install one, definitely plan the height. Too tall and it can really splash when using it, and too low, some of your biggest pans may not fit. My plumber had plenty of stories to tell when we planned out the placement. Good luck! Enjoy your new kitchen! If I was going to do a splurge, I’d add an ice maker for sure if you have room!!


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    just another form of conspicuous consumption

    Exactly why we're installing it!




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    If you're on well water, then I would not do it. If water has been sitting in the pipes for several hours, it's strongly recommended that you run the water to clear the pipes to get to fresh water before using the water. With a pot filler, you would have to fill your pot at least once b/f the fresh water starts coming out and then dump it b/f filling it again with fresh water.

    If you're on "city" water, that may or may not be an issue. I know that even when I was in an apartment with city water I still ran the water until fresh water came out.

    Regardless of whether there are one or two valves, it never seems like a good idea to have a faucet in a location that doesn't have a drain in case of leaks or, as was also mentioned, someone accidently bumps the handle and water starts pouring out with no place to go besides onto your cooking surface.

    If you decide to go ahead with one, get the two valves. Also be sure the pipes are accessible without having to break into the wall. That could mean an access panel on the same side or other side of the wall (if an interior wall) or pipes outside the wall, not inside them.

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    Regarding your layout...as others have said it is a poor layout. Can you change it at all at this point? Even if you only put a prep sink in the island, it will vastly improve the overall layout.

    I would also get rid of the angled corner cabinets -- go with a super susan on the bottom and an Easy Reach for the upper. That will open up the space and the storage will be more functional.

    Check your aisle measurements. The bare minimum width of a work aisle is 42", and that's for a one-person work aisle. The minimum is 48" for more than one person working in the Kitchen at the same time, regardless of task (prepping, cooking, baking, cleaning up, getting a snack). Keep in mind that aisle widths are measured to/from the items sticking out into them the farthest -- appliance handles, counter overhangs, etc. They are not measured to/from cabinets as the 24"D cabinet measurement does not take into account doors/drawer fronts, hardware, counter overhangs, etc.

    More drawers! 😊


    Edited to add: A pot filler will not improve the layout -- you need an actual sink nearby, that's why we're recommending a prep sink in the island.

  • last year

    Depends. Useful if you have good quality tap water. Useful if you make pasta often or other things requiring lots of water--soups, etc. Easy to maintain--definitely. Just needs an occasional wipe down. What I found that was I wasn't using it as much because when I needed water in pots for soups, or oatmeal, etc, I was choosing to use my higher quality filtered water. Our tap water was low quality, so I did avoid it quite a bit.