Trachelospermum jasminoides, Star Jasmine. It should do well in those conditions. It did in Zone 9b Valencia; 10a Encino; 10b - 11a Pacific Palisades. Ficus pumila, Creeping Fig, should also do well in those light conditions.

I'm not sure if this rose really received only 2-3 hours of sun, but in being so close to the house wall it didn't get a great deal. Mutabilis got to be quite big and that might be a problem, but it's certainly very showy and I imagine with judicious pruning it could be kept somewhat smaller.

Buff Beauty in shade was terrible for me, sickly, few blooms and those were small and shriveled even in only a couple of hours of easterly sun - the summer air temperature even in shade was just too much for it. Blush Noisette is OK but not spectacular. Mme. Alfred Carriere is so much healthier and bloomier in a similar position and might suit. Mine is 3 years old and so far has not exceeded 8ft wide, but takes well to hacking back when needed.

I've read that white roses, for whatever reason, are often better suited for areas that don't get much sun. Mme. Alfred Carriere sounds wonderful although at least in our climate it can get really large.

2-3 hours of sun??? I don't think there's any rose that will give you good bloom in such sparse sunlight.

I have Sally Holmes and William Allen Richardson planted on the north side of a 6 foot wooden fence, and they get no sun in the winter, but due to the shifting sun, they get much more from spring-fall. (And this is on top of the over-the-fence neighbor having a 25 foot ficus and trash non-fruiting plum just on the other side of the fence). They both bloom well. Before you plant, maybe see how much sun the area gets at various times of the year? Just a thought. Please forgive the soon-to-be-ditched standard prominently in front of Sally, but I chose this pic because you can really see the huge ficus and trash plum just over the fence. Every summer, I have my tree guy shave them both back at the fence line!

Oh mercy, Susan, your roses are amazing! I'm especially taken with your lovely Sally Holmes. It's a rose I've often contemplated but have assumed it would get as big as a house. Have you had to prune it to that size or can it easily be managed? I see what you mean about the trees. I have a ficus and that thing will not stop growing. I've had the gardener lop off branches several times to give more sunlight to the roses. It's a thug in our climate.

Ingrid, in the 20+ years I've grown Sally Holmes, I've pretty much never pruned her. I did some major thinning last year and some pruning, but that's just how she grows naturally. No support, just left to grow free standing. I'd say maybe 12 foot max for ultimate height and 10-12 foot wide. Quite a few years ago, I offered to pay the owner of the property (he rents it out) to remove the trash plum, and he refused. This was before the dreaded ficus turned into the monster it is now!

@susan9santabarbara, your suggestion to check the sun exposure at other times of the year was insightful! I use shademap.app to check this information as a guide, though I test empirically. Though the area gets only a couple of hours at this time of year, in the summer it gets 6h.

If I understand you correctly, if the NE position gets more hours of sun at different time of the year this might compensate for the less than ideal location. Is this what you mean?

@Ingrid_vc zone 9b, San Diego Co. inland and @NollieSpainZ9, I had read that MAC tolerates shade, but was afraid it would get roo big for me to handle. But perhaps in shade she wouldn’t be as vigorous?

I suggest Renae, which is a pink thornless climber. Its canes are very easy to work with. Completely disease resistant in my garden which has high pressure for black spots, rust, powdery and downy mildew all together. It can tolerate some shade as well.

A salmon pink that is very disease resistant is the Kordes Climber Rosanna. Rose Unlimited carries it. However, like many other Kordes climber, it will not flower well unless it is in full sun. You can check HMF here: https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.40972

Here is a photo of Renae from last year.

@roseseek, I looked up Trachelospermum jasminoides and was surprised to find two different looking flowers. One has 8 petals (I have this one) while the other has 5 petals and I’ve known as Confederate Jasmine.

The first one with 8 petals for sure can grow in shade, but seeks sun and can overtake the length of a roof awning. Confederate Jasmine is very common in the neighborhood.

One thing I did discover while digging the bed this morning is that there is a LOT more sun along the wall than I had thought. I think if I plant a bit more pulled out from the wall that there would be at least 5h of sun!

jjk, given your new discovery in regard to the sunlight that widens your choices considerably. What fun!

@Rose Lai (9b) Thanks for sharing about Renae; its very pretty! Does it have a fragrance?

@jjkOC zone 10a/22, SoCal "Star Jasmine" is the darker, heavier leaf with five petals. You originally wrote you had a Climbing Iceberg in that spot you found disappointing because of sparse bloom and rust. Iceberg is well known in SoCal for mildew on new growth and to black spot when it is kept too heavily pruned. Rust isn't usually an affliction it suffers, so if yours rusted and didn't flower much, I'd suggest the location is not one well suited for any rose. Iceberg in all of its forms is one of the most successfully shade tolerant, reliable landscape roses for Southern California. That's why you find tens of thousands of them seemingly everywhere possible to plant anything.

Five to six hours of reliable sun is probably sufficient for many roses, but it's the rust and lack of bloom you cite that suggests you'd be better off not trying another rose in that spot. If you're going to pull the roses out from the wall, try a couple of bush Icebergs and let them show you how large they want to be. If rust is still an issue, ditch the rose idea there.

Yes, Renae is wonderfully scented, but it can't be successfully grown free standing. It needs the wall to provide support. If Iceberg was unsatisfactory there, I suggest Renae probably will be, too.

jjk: There can be a huge difference in sun exposure in different areas of a yard, depending on the time of year and the location of buildings and fences and deciduous trees. When we bought this house in Dec 1997, I spent a year making a sun map. I picked maybe 30 locations and noted the sun exposure every 3 months for a year (Dec 15, Mar 15, June 15, Sept 15) before planting for permanence. That's probably extreme for most people, but having gardened in rental houses since I was 15, I was determined to do it right when I finally got my own house at age 42. Plus, I'm a science nerd :-D

Roseseek makes a great point about if Iceberg didn't thrive there, it may not be a great rose spot. I assume the OC in your name means Orange County, so you know Iceberg as the go-to rose in gas station and fast food parking lots. But you just discovered that it gets ~6 hours, so who knows?

Thanks Kim for your thoughts and recommendations. Thats a good point. I did also remove a big hibiscus that was also planted in the area which made for way more sun! The climbing Iceberg was the only rose in the front yard that got rust. Given Iceberg in other yards, I always thought it needed a lot more sun to be clean.

I will try planting a bush form pulled out from the wall and see what happens!

Wow! @susan9santabarbara that sounds intense, but Im sure that the information you gleaned was invaluable for planning your beds!

Maybe you could plant a fuschia in your location? They get to be tall shrubs where I’m at, so I’m sure they’d do the same for you.

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) that’s an interesting idea! I’ve only ever seen Fuschias planted in hanging pots. A shrub of it might look quite nice. Thank you for the suggestion!

There are upright varieties of fuchsias that are great in the ground. It's also pretty easy to turn them into standards by gradually removing the lower branches... I've done that.

@roserobertpdx WOW! How beautiful is your window planting! Really love the Clematis with The Pilgrim! Its true, what you mentioned, the main beds in my yard are essentially in an alley between my one story house and my neighbor’s two-story house. The west-facing beds don’t get more than a few hours of sun, but there is enough indirect light that bounces off the walls to allow the DA roses to bloom and grow.

I havent had much luck with Clematis in anything other than full sun in the south facing part of the yard, but I think if the bush rose experiment works, I’ll give the Clematis a try in the front yard!

@jjkOC zone 10a/22, SoCal try it! Especially in SoCal--I think you might be able to get away with it. My neighbor's house is white, and so like you suggested, I think I get a lot of reflective light in that area--not sure if plants appreciate that or not, but it seems to be working so far.

Robert, you can't be allowed to get away without naming all the roses in your second photo, namely the luscious pink on the left and the adorable white/apricot rose on the trellis. So beautiful!

Ha! Well, the pink one is "Arctic Blue", and the white/pink one is Aptos/Dr. Robert Korns rose. I hate both names of these roses, haha.

I have Cecile Brunner Spray in part sun here and she blooms constantly. At my old house she got only morning sun and still bloomed. I just realized that one of my Teasing Georgia roses that is near the front of the barn, is in only morning sun here now, due to massive tree growth. It blooms just as much as the TG I have in the front yard that is in full sun! I dont know if you would like Pink Clouds since she is a single rose, but she has been a powerhouse bloomer in only morning sun here. She is huge and still in a pot since I moved here lol. Bees really love her. I like to mix single and double roses together. They kinda make each other pop.

@sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish) Thanks for the additional ideas! The front yard has golden and apricot colored roses. So similar and complementary colored roses are all candidates for consideration!

Sultry, does your Pink Clouds rebloom? I got cuttings of it from a trading partner a year and a half ago to eventually use as rootstock for grafting. So far, it's only bloomed in spring.

My neighbors had 'Cornelia' planted against a barn wall with a northwest exposure that got little sun. It grew and bloomed magnificently. This is a very fragrant rose with excellent foliage, and would likely grow in the space you have. I don't know about your soil, of course.

@Melissa Northern Italy zone 8, thank you fir your suggestion, which along with recommendations of others here, inspired me to read old posts on Hybrid Musks.

As a group it seems that they generally tolerate shade better than other classes of roses. Sally Holmes falls in this HM shrub group as well. I had read previously comparisons of Felicia and Cornelia based on fragrance, but hadn't been considering light requirements at the time. This is such good info. to know about this class of roses!!!

I wonder if HM gave been ranked for vigor? Is that common knowledge? e.g. Is Lavender Lassie more likely to be a house swallower than Buff Beauty?

Susan, Pink Clouds does get its biggest flush in spring but it also blooms sporadically throughout summer and late fall (until frost here. -which is usually Dec - March) I think mine might have came from Blue Girl who used to be on this forum.

Sally holmes gets sun until about noon here when the sun moves behind a big tree. She is a good bloomer and also a lot more disease resistant that I thought she would be. I got another Sally to put on a trellis with Spirit of Freedom, and since it was own root in a tiny pot, I stuck it in a raised veggie bed until it got bigger. Well it rooted throught the pot and has taken over half that 4x8 bed. It has a cattle panel supporting it. This one is in full sun all day. I think the 2 Sallys bloom about the same! Now I have to pull the 2nd Sally out of the raised bed and cut off its tiny pot and plant it in the ground.