Software
Houzz Logo Print
webuser_56498678

Quartzite Counter Advice: Seam Placement

12 months ago
last modified: 12 months ago

Hello everyone.

My wife and I are remodeling our kitchen and need advice laying out the counter top. Multiple questions for you.


We selected a 3, highly veined slabs of Fantasy Lux. They are book matched. 2cm, thick, fabricator is going to install plywood base (5/8 or 11/16 can't remember exactly). We could get a 4th book matched slab if needed.


Are we being unreasonable to insist on a template or cut review?


Our GC has a stone fabricator who was called in for the job. We did not pick him.

Fabricator told us he doesn't do tape layouts with clients. He cuts as best we can for the best outcome possible.


All he provided is the Option 1 layout with circles indicating which slab he was going to use.

He has 50, 5 star reviews on Google and Yelp.


We're on the verge of asking for a refund to find another stone cutter due to the lack of a final review.


Layout Option Advice

1. Fabricator Propsoed Seam Placement : He wants to prioritize matching from counter to wall. Slabs 1 &3 will flow up the wall, but Slab 2 is all chopped up. The corners will not match at all. He said they'll try to match vein flow direction and busy areas aren't as noticable for vein matching. He said single, large veins are most problematics.


Pros: Seams in "the right places". Range backsplash is contiguous slab.


Cons: Veins won't match in most places.


I used Paint.Net to generate what I anticipate. It seems decent in pictures but, i'm worried about the actual result.


2. My request - Maximize book matching (Option 2, Symetrical): I want to prioritize vein matching on the counters. This is "the perfect" layout to me - 100% matched wall to wall.

Installer ruled this option out because the seam is over the dishwasher.


Pros: Maximum matching

Cons: Dishwasher seam - fabricator said don't put seams over dishwashers. Range backsplash will have cuts and seams.


Any way to make this work? Or is it just a bad, bad idea?


3. My Request - Shifted Book matching (Option 3, Alternate): To avoid the dishwasher I want to propose shifting everything over 6-16 inches.


Pros: Preserves bookmatching.

Cons: Seams are not in "the right" places like window frame. Range backsplash will have cuts and seams.


Will the seam placement make everything look off?


Poll: Which do you think is best? Please provide feedback. I sketched out dimensions as best as I could in the Poll Pics.


Info

Cabinet Plan Layout



Render:

Note: we switched to a regular range hood, not a cabinet hood.


The Slab Shot: Leathered Fantasy Lux



Option 1: Fabricator Layout - Prioritize Seam placement
Option 2: Maximum bookmatch with dishwasher seam
Option 3: Shifted bookmatch with seams
Option 4: New alternative layout
Option 5: Just here to view results.
Option 6: You're OCD, let 'em work.

Comments (15)

  • 12 months ago

    Option 6, you're being nutty ocd. let the pros do their job.

  • 12 months ago

    Fair enough. Seen lots of posts about vein matching issues and wanted to avoid that regret if possible.


    Many slab yards said to get a taped template review prior to cutting, many of our friends and family also had a template review. The lack of up front info from the cutter has us concerned but it may come down to just saying go.

  • 12 months ago

    Haha,. I was kind of kidding. I really dont see why its a trouble for them to tell you their plan or at least verbally reassure you if its something that is important.

    Nick K. thanked C Masty
  • 12 months ago
    last modified: 12 months ago

    It's all good, totally understand let the guys work. "Trust me" on a >$9K irreverisble decision without clear planning is daunting. We've had lots of mistakes and rework on our whole home remodel due to poor oversight and planning from the contractor. Don't want to repeat that here.


    Added Option 6 from your inspiration lol.

  • 12 months ago

    I kind of thought counter templating was always a sign-off affair....

    Nick K. thanked anj_p
  • 12 months ago

    I'm totally in the camp of you need to make sure you get the design you'll be happy with going forward. You're specific with what you feel will work because you've been capable of analyzing and plotting the possibilities. Most people will not have done that. Take in your info and ask for an evaluation of your preferred choice. Ask for a scheduled meeting at a time convenient for him. He may explain any problems, based on his experience, with your choice. If he isn't open to working with you, find someone who will. The stone yard will likely know fabricators who use a lot of stone.

    Nick K. thanked dan1888
  • 12 months ago

    I’d probably ask around and get another fabricator or two and see if they have a process with a sign off process that makes you feel more comfortable - make sure they have a lot of experience with quartzite

    Nick K. thanked la_la Girl
  • 12 months ago
    last modified: 12 months ago

    I would look for someone else ... unless the fabricator's name happens to be Michelangelo!

    My fabricator was a bit old-tech, but we laid out balsa-wood templates over the 3 Taj Mahal quartzite slabs at the slab yard and moved the templates around until we were happy. Mine was easier because I wasn't doing a slab backsplash.

    Nick K. thanked chispa
  • PRO
    12 months ago

    Modern dishwashers are heavily insuated and modern adhesives are very durable. Adhere a cleat under the seam if it makes you feel better. The no seam at dishwasher rule is obsolete.

    Nick K. thanked Joseph Corlett, LLC
  • PRO
    12 months ago

    "Option 6, you're being nutty ocd. let the pros do their job."


    That's a fair enough thing to say. It's up to a fabricator to determine the fussiness and sophistication level of every customer and charge accordingly. In fact, customer selection skills are far more important than any others.

  • 12 months ago
    last modified: 12 months ago

    Thanks for all the feedback. Appreciate hearing about your experiences. It was very helpful to get confirmation that layout review is very common.


    We've started looking around for another fabricator that will have a design review before cutting. Good news - One already told us they like having shop visits and design reviews.


    @dan1888 They are the pros! Hopefully the next one can at least provide guidance on how things work, trade offs, and why my idea is/isn't feasible. I have a background in industrial construction projects, so I'm familiar with drawings and design tradeoffs hence all my design options to review. But there are limits in life so we'll do our best to design around them.


    Good point @Joseph Corlett, LLC: This fabricator has chosen the low-customer involvement business model, and doesn't want to deal with fussy customers. His business, his rules. Probably lets him work through jobs faster.


    @Joseph Corlett, LLC - thanks for the tip on the dishwasher seam. I've seen conflicting info on this. We just bought a new Bosch dishwasher, so we've upgraded to modern insulation over our 20 year old model. I'd be happy to pay for extra prep to make it work. I prefer that layout so I'll discuss with the next fabricator. Appreciate the tip.


    @chispa I said the same thing to my wife! Who knows - maybe he's a modern day Michaelangelo, but searching for that 1: 1,000,000 stone mason on "trust me bro it'll be fantastic" is a huge risk to our budget! Guess we'll never know.

  • 12 months ago

    It sounds like you're on a better path. It's worth the effort.

  • PRO
    12 months ago

    Glad you are looking around. Not being able to view the template on the stone or through computer generated design is a bit unnerving with that busy of a vein.

    On another note - you have a U shaped counter and you are going onto the backsplash. Perfect vein matching is nearly impossible even with book match slabs. A good fabricator will do the absolute best they can but you have know that it will be great but may not be perfect!

    Best of luck!

  • 11 months ago
Sponsored
Preferred General Contracting, Inc.
Average rating: 4.8 out of 5 stars15 Reviews
Fairfax County's Specialized, Comprehensive Renovations Firm