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Challenging Kitchen In The Round remodel with Soffit and Indoor BBQ

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I know this is a lot. I have a kitchen that has an oval soffit to 'represent' the kitchen in the round concept. And to add to this I have an indoor brick bbq. Reduced wall and upper cabinet space. Need kitchen ideas. Remove the bbq? Remove the soffit? This is a 60's Sunset design. Help.



Do we keep the original design concept? BBQ has never been used.

Comments (20)

  • PRO
    last month

    here are pictures of the kitchen decluttered so people can have a better idea of the space.




    If I'm to understand you are replacing the entire kitchen I would certainly remove the brick BBQ especially since you've never used it.

    Barbara Fong thanked lisedv
  • last month

    My response would include BBQ removal and the frig goes in its place. Close the entrance to the kitchen from the foyer. Add counter across that new wall. Move the pantry to the end of the old frig space or delete it. Remove the island.

    Barbara Fong thanked dan1888
  • PRO
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    So what is the budget ? You can get some pretty cool curved cabinets from Europe that would make this fabulous instead of trying to put a square peg in a round hole You mighteven be able to find a cabinet maker who would love to do something different . Of course you could rip out the soffit square off the space and look completely different but to me embracing that space would be awesome


  • PRO
    last month

    I am seeing the "beyond" clutter of the cluttered kitchen.

    I am reading the SF Bay area, "rare" design.

    For me? It's a gut. Rare isn't necessarily wonderful, often it is just odd and doesn't work well.

    What is back beyond the kitchen? I see a home not "living well" for the owners. I think the sun may have set........on the Sunset 60 design.

    Post more jpegs of the surroundings.



    Barbara Fong thanked JAN MOYER
  • last month

    This is a good challenge. Please add more photos: stand in each of the two entries and take four photos going around the room for eight photos total. That will show how the kitchen is actually built and how it is being used.


    Do you use the bar sink shown in the original Sunset floor plan?


    I can well imagine that the remodelled kitchen will end up as a showpiece for the contractor.

  • last month

    What is your budget and are you willing to get rid of it entirely? I think it is a poor design not worth keeping since it has 3 entrances including a main thoroughfare through the middle of the work area to the foyer. You could have a great open design kitchen to the rest of the house and even put in a island. I would consult an architectural engineer to see what can come down.



  • PRO
    last month

    I sometimes just really like a space that is not cookie cutter Of course you can demolish it but to what advantage it will still be in the center of the home unless you totally demo the whole main floor . It is an era sort of like MCM ot Art Deco where it is not the usual tract house but something interesting

  • last month

    Everything depends on your budget and what you want to do. Come back with clarity on how much you want to spend and what your goals are and we can go from there.

  • last month

    I think you could do a better layout and sharpen the oval shape of the kitchen as a whole. The current execution loses something because of all the flat parts. The countertop could really follow the curve around just like the soffit.

    Here I reduced it to one bigger opening near the garage entry where groceries are being brought in. There is really no reason to have a direct entry from the front door area.

    It's odd, yes, but I hate to see every unusual thing demolished out of existence. Just adding it to the rest of the open space turns the room into a "blob"


    I don't think the island adds much here but at least mostly everything is on one side of it.


    This house belonged to Jackie Gleason


    Here's a semi circle with a built-in refrigerator.


  • last month

    I think the kitchen is cool. I like the soffit. Is your indoor BBQ useable? Would it meet code today? If not, I'd definitely get rid of it.

  • last month

    Could the BBQ become a pizza oven? That would be cool! Btw, I like it, I know it’s not current today, no white subway tile, Shaker cabinets & white quartz mimmicking ”marble”, that’s why I like it. It does need some tweaking however.

  • last month

    Wow community. Thank you. Thank @lisedv for cleaning up my photos (my photos does show the true clutter that represents no storage, limited cabinet and little counter space. The middle table was to compensate for the distance of the original curved island was way too far away from the stove; and a work space. Budget, I am willing to take the jump to improve this kitchen and this half of the house (90k-150k). The layout was the original design I happen to find. The family room is actually our dining area. There is a vent above the never-used-indoor-bbq; would this meet current code in California - I suspect not.

    Agree that if the indoor BBQ should not be used, why keep it (we will end of filling it with stuff). Pizza oven is interesting idea, but what would it take to bring this type of appliance to code? Front kitchen window layout will stay in place. Question is what shape of island and location?

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    It seems your number one problem is no storage. To get storage you need to add cabinets and/or a pantry. To do that, you’ll need some walls.

    Start with researching where to add meaningful walls. Stretching your circle into an oval makes sense to me.

  • last month

    If you are paying to have this designed and executed, I don't think your budget is sufficient in your part of the country, specially if you are going to be using custom curved cabinets.

    Moving the kitchen will probably be the best solution for a "standard" kitchen, but you will then have the expenses of moving walls/openings, changing out all the flooring, jackhammering the slab, etc.

  • last month

    Not much into the curved cabinets, but agree I will need to up the ante on the remodel. Just need to figure out a design. Also not sure about moving the kitchen.


    Appreciated the feedback from everyone.

  • PRO
    last month

    Negative value keeping the circular design. Maybe start with an architect who can redesign room, exterior walls & engineering where needed to get a functional design

  • last month

    I like your quirky round kitchen. You're talking about big bucks for not much space gain. You have a clutter problem, not a storage problem. Visually, I can see clutter in the adjacent spaces beyond. Why? This adds to the visual clutter in the kitchen. Clear off those adjacent room surfaces! Honestly, for a few hundred dollars, hire an organizer to help you see how to declutter and organize. You actually have plenty of storage but too much stuff.


    After you declutter, get yourself some pullout drawers for under the sink for all cleaning products, paper towel holder, and a pullout for a garbage can so you don't have it in the kitchen. These pullouts are easy to install and are available at big box stores.


    Some solutions:


    --Get a small custom semi-round island as below. This will give you another work surface as well as storage below.


    --Smooth ivory countertops, without clutter, would also brighten the kitchen.

    ivory countertops with flecks of gold and brown would greatly lighten the kitchen.



    --Turn the barbeque setup into a pantry cabinet with pullout shelves or open shelves with well matched attractive dishes and glassware.


    --If possible get a deep large sink and keep your dish drainer in it for those times when you have to air dry dishes and pans. That will clear a good square foot of space.






    --Take all the stuff off the front of the fridge. Get a vertical bulletin board for the side of the cabinet we see in the distance. Confine all paper to the bulletin board.


  • last month

    hmmmm

  • last month

    Most round kitchens, or kitchens with a rounded end that I have seen (and I collect pictures of vintage kitchens), do not have concave-faced cabinets. They have well arranged flat cabinets that fit close to the tangent of the circle. The uppers were often identically sized single door cabinets so the flat tangents to the circle would be the same, but the lower usually had to accommodate some uneven sizes because a DW is not the same as a refrigerator drawer is not the same as a typical sink base and so forth. Placed under a round countertop, though, they work. And even there you could figure out a "unit" size to work with (mostly).

    You would not even need more than regular semi-custom cabinets, it would just need to be designed properly. I think at some point there is going to be an intersection of just working with the space you have but customizing certain elements vs. reworking that end of the house and still ending up with a pretty irregularly shaped room with a curve toward the bottom left and an utility closet that will shoulder into the space on the bottom right.

    And I think the intersection of working with what you have vs reworking the walls or moving the kitchen completely will come at a lower price point than you think.

    This one does have curved cabinets, but this could also be done with flat door cabinets as long as each upper unit especially was the same size and not too wide.