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last month

Hi! We are planning to remove a wall and combine our dining room and kitchen into a larger kitchen. Someone that works with cabinets came up with this design, but I'm looking for feedback on the layout.

Does this layout work space wise? I would love a bigger pantry, spice cabinet and drink fridge. Where can they go?

Anything more I can do in the awkward corner with the 4 table?

Comments (32)

  • PRO
    last month

    You cannot stand over the plan, cast a shadow on top of it and then expect a readable photo. Try again.



    "Anything more I can do in the awkward corner with the 4 table? "


    I give up what does that question mean?


  • last month

    The corner with the 4 table that has the window. Is there anything else I can do there? Wet bar? Any cabinets or varied seating?

  • last month

    And sorry, plan was sent to me with shadows. I will ask for another pic

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    A better pic

  • PRO
    last month

    The shape of the island makes no sense. It creates an awkward working area at what I believe will be the main sink and dishwasher. It creates a pinch point at the refrigerator--which is where you need the most generous space so doors can open without creating an ergonomic nightmare.

    If you want to combine the Kitchen and Dining areas start over. Evaluate concepts that make efficient use of the existing kitchen space, and the informal and formal dining areas.

  • last month

    Not a pro, but I see things that are a concern. An angled island is not a current style and it angles toward the opening fridge doors which creates a pinch point. I'd nix the end seating on the island since those are in walkways. With two tables in the same open space, are you really going to have everyone eat at countertop height for a meal?

    A gas range with a microwave over and not a hood. I realize you already have this setup, but if you're going to the expense of a full remodel, then improvements should be a priority. I'd choose induction over gas, but if you prefer gas, then choose a hood for health and ventilation.

    The angled corner upper and lower cabinet is not a current look either. Unusual design choice these days.

    Do you plan to extend the wood flooring visible in the photos to make one cohesive flooring in the entire space?

  • last month

    Why do you think the space by the window is awkward? It's the perfect place for a kitchen table, which is what you have. Don't muck that up.

  • PRO
    last month

    I'd bet dollars to donuts this is a load bearing wall which would require a beam installation to tranfer the load. Islands are grossly over rated, but if you insist you might have to think about moving.


  • last month

    How big is the house?

    Do you need 3 dining areas?

    How about 1 large table plus counter seating? Use the rest of the space to shift the kitchen to one end or the other.

    If possible, get an independent kitchen designer and not a cabinet salesperson.



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    No to the angled island. Awkward and dated.

    Three seating areas within one contained space is redundant and silly.

    No to the over the range microwave. Provides less than adequate ventilation. You’re spending $$ on this renovation. You will now have the space the install a real vent hood…for the health benefit of your family…and, upgrade the look of your kitchen. Put a microwave on a shelf…like this:


  • PRO
    last month

    Do a to scale plan of the space you have no cabinets then see what comes to you from actual kitchens designers not cabinet salesperson. You neve add angles to space that are not needed becuse of the exterior walls . This is hard to read too. Use graph paper to do the plan show every window, doorways where those lead and every measurement clearly marked post here in jpeg format in a comment As for the wall you think you will remove you get a structural engineer to tell you if possible and what will need to be done to make it happen

  • PRO
    last month

    OK - maybe I haven't had enough coffee yet. I am confused. Is that door next to the stove going to a garage? Where did it go? Is it moved into the dining room? Where exactly is the dining room, now ( it is deceiving when you look through the french door - that looks like living room? ? Why is there a wall now to the left of the french door that wasn't there before?


    Can you do a quick drawing of how the space is laid out now? Or take more pictures?

    This is sort of my initial thought without actually doing a layout:

    Move the garage door further down. Assuming a header and posts left behind, do the ref and pantries on the right of the header. shift the wall over to create a bev/ bar area, put the dining table where the round table was shown and open the wall where the french door is so you can expand the table as needed, and do a large island.


    Just some thoughts!

    Good luck!

  • last month

    First off how exciting that you are taking this on. Second, I have to agree with others this is not a good plan. There are many red flags and concerns in it. But, dont he discouraged. There is hope and this forum, if you can handle tough comments and feedback, can get you a beyond beautiful, functional kitchen for your space. Please listen to the comments, answer the questions and keep posting!

  • last month

    Initial glance, the plan looks like something from the 1990s. Why an angled island? Why three eating spaces? Diagnoal cabinets in the corners? No hood? Why end chairs that pinch point the fridge. Provide good answers to some of the questions that others have asked about:


    - door locations

    - whether you have consulted a structural engineer about the beam and wall removal, - - - post a drawing of the space empty, with measurements for all of the existing doors and windows and list of what can change and what your desires are


    You will get excellent feedback here. The more time you put into giving clear information, the more useful the replies. Kitchen renovation is expensive. Don't spend good money on this bad design. :)

  • last month

    Hi everyone! Really appreciate the feedback! I'm going to provide more information and hopefully it might help, but let me know what else you need to know! I can also try to sketch out the current set up if helpful.

    The house is a a 2400 sq ft center hall colonial in northern NJ. The current dining room is being used as a play room for my kids. I don't want a formal dining room, but love to entertain and felt that combining the dining room and kitchen would make it a more usable space. It is a load bearing wall and we plan to remove it for a flush ceiling. We will also continue the hard wood throughout,

    Ideally I would like a pantry, closet space if possible, some sort of home base for calendar and paperwork, spice cabinet, drink fridge and a good amount of seating. I do not like a microwave that is below the counter. My husband would love a wet bar but that's lower on the list.

    I'm adding a few more pictures including the other half of our house where we took down the wall between our living room and family room. Sorry, I did not clean before taking pics 😊

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    Additional pics

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    From living room

  • last month

    What an interesting space. It looks quite large and like you have tons of options and have also already done a bunch of work. Do you have a floor plan? The room off the kitchen you are calling the dining room really seems more like an office or family room in the pics and the area where the man is standing near the TV looks like a dining area and where the tree is the living. But pictures are hard to understand without context.

  • last month

    Ok, attaching the layout for other half of the house from when we were taking down the load bearing wall on the other side - combining living and family room, I'm calling it the dining room as that what it was intended for. I'm attaching pics of what it looked like when we bought it 10 years ago

  • last month

    Sorry can you share a whole house plan?

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    I don't have one

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    I can see what I can piece together

  • last month

    Perhaps from a realty site?

  • last month

    Your layout is understandable through your pictures and description. It seems odd that your living room and TV room are open to each other with essentially two TVs next to one another. Does this set up work well for you? Why not put a wet bar for your husband in one of these rooms?


    I'm curious if it makes more sense to move your powder room elsewhere, turn your current playroom aka former dining room into the family room that is open to the kitchen and have a kitchen and open dining space run across the back of the house combining the current kitchen and family room.



  • last month

    Yes Kendrah! That was kind of my point asking for a floor plan. I know how the family is currently using the space but is it the best use of the space?

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    Unfortunately there was never a floor plan. I'll see if I can piece something together based on what we have 😢

  • last month

    You draw the floor plan. That's where it comes from. The more accurate it is, the better feedback you'll get here.


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    We just re did our family room and living rooms so aren't interested in changing those rooms

  • last month

    See the Featured Answer in the "New to Kitchens? Read Me First!" thread.


    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5972404/new-to-kitchens-read-me-first-2020-interim

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    Thanks! I just read it. I guess I should have made it known. That I don't want to move the location of my kitchen beyond the kitchen now and my kids current playroom. Just let me know if I need to start a new thread one I have a more complete layout. Thank you! I do appreciate the help

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    Do not start a new thread where all of this info will not be known. Keep it on this one.

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    Agree that you should not start a new thread. Just add the new/updated info to your starting post. Use the "Edit" option to add a fully-measured layout, the sketch of the floor the Kitchen is on, and the answer to the questions in the Read Me thread.



    Notice the "Edit" button b/w the "Comment" and "Delete" buttons.

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