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Recessed lighting density in vaulted ceiling

9 days ago
last modified: 9 days ago

This may be a silly question resulting from overthinking, but I want to be sure. If installing recessed/can type lights in a vaulted ceiling -- especially over a very large area -- wouldn't it be necessary to install cans at a higher density moving "up" the vault? In other words, wouldn't we want to space the cans progressively closer together going from the lower portion to the higher so that light intensity on the floor is the same everywhere? If we had a vault that, say, started at 8' ceiling height and went up to 20', if we just evenly spaced the cans, wouldn't the light intensity under the 20' portion be substantially less than under the 8'? All this is of course assuming the same cans/bulbs/modules/dim level.


I'm looking at using the NORA Iolite canless series, which comes with easily-changeable reflectors/optics of 26deg spoot, 36 narrow flood, 61 flood.

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  • 9 days ago

    Pictures with a 1000 words.

  • 9 days ago
    last modified: 9 days ago

    Question (to MS CoPilot AI): On a sloped ceiling should one install recessed lights closer together as the elevation increases?


    Answer: Short answer: yes—on a sloped ceiling, recessed lights generally need to be spaced slightly closer together as the ceiling rises.
    But the why matters, and once you understand the geometry, you can dial in spacing that feels intentional rather than accidental.

    Why spacing changes on a sloped ceiling

    On a flat ceiling, spacing is simple: the beam of light hits the floor at a predictable diameter.
    On a sloped ceiling, two things change:


    1. The light beam elongates as the ceiling gets higher

    As the ceiling rises, the distance from fixture to floor increases.
    More distance = a wider, softer pool of light.

    If you keep spacing constant, the higher side of the room ends up with:

    • wider, dimmer pools of light
    • less uniformity
    • visible “striping” where the spacing suddenly feels too wide


    2. The beam shifts forward

    On a slope, the light doesn’t fall straight down—it projects slightly “downhill.”
    This means the uphill fixtures contribute less to the uphill side of the room.

    Practical rule of thumb

    Most lighting designers use a simple adjustment:

    As the ceiling rises, reduce spacing by 10–25%.

    Example:

    • Flat ceiling spacing: 6 ft

    • On a slope:

      • Lower side: 6 ft
      • Mid-slope: 5–5.5 ft
      • High side: 4.5–5 ft

    This keeps the light distribution visually even.


    When you don’t need to tighten spacing

    There are exceptions:

    1. You’re using wall-wash or adjustable gimbal trims

    These can be aimed to compensate for the slope.

    2. You’re lighting a feature wall

    Spacing is driven by the wall, not the ceiling height.

    3. You’re using very wide-beam fixtures (e.g., 90°+)

    Wide beams naturally blend more.

    When you should tighten spacing

    These situations benefit the most:

    • Task lighting (kitchens, workspaces)
    • Narrow-beam fixtures (40–60°)
    • High contrast slopes (e.g., 8 ft → 14 ft)
    • Rooms where uniformity matters (galleries, living rooms)


    A simple way to test spacing

    Since you’re meticulous about visual harmony, you might appreciate this quick method:

    1. Take the beam angle of your recessed fixture (e.g., 60°).
    2. Calculate the beam diameter at different ceiling heights.
    3. Space fixtures at 0.8× the beam diameter for even illumination.

    ...

  • 8 days ago

    Ziaam, thanks. Given my preference for the NORA iolites, I was thinking I could use two or three of the optic/reflector options accordingly? If I'm thinking correctly, that would also handle the spacing/brightness issue "side-to-side", whereas decreasing spacing "up the slope" would only handle in that direction.

  • 8 days ago

    Ziaam: "most designers keep spacing consistent and instead use narrower beam angles (like 26°) and/or higher lumen fixtures in the taller sections to balance the light."

    There is a single brightness (1250 lumens) for the lights he's considering. Also, what's the probability that she'd be able to maintain uniform spacing given that he has only three beam angle options? (He could run the spacing test described above.)

  • 8 days ago
    last modified: 8 days ago

    If there is another product I should be looking at, I am open to that. This is a large-scale main floor rennovation (foyer & hall, dining, kitchen, dinette, large walk-in pantry/messy kitchen area, great room). Basic requirements are flicker-free, matte white adjustable sloped housing (square preferred, but iolite only has round on the sloped), 4", IC-rated, and DTW. Strong preference for canless type setup like the iolite. We had them use 4" square iolite DTW in our primary bath remodel (flat ceiling) on Lutron dimmers and love the lighting, and I know the flicker doesn't bother me, even at low dim, even though I'm sensitive.


    NORA Iolite specs

  • PRO
    8 days ago
    last modified: 8 days ago

    I can't imagine how much this 12V system with all the componets will cost. You're not lighting a lobby, it's a home. Most homes only require a couple of lights in the ceiling because, in order to produce a room with a pleasant atmosphere, a home requires additional lighting from table lamps and floor lamps.


    I have vaulted ceilings in my home. The room is. 20' x 15.5' . I have 5 lights mounted in the ceiling and they are OFF 90% of the time unless I have company.

    I positioned the lights to illuminate art I have on the walls. The walls bounce the light into the room for general illumination. Downlights are not appropirate for reading. Illumination through linen lamp shades at about 5 ft off the ground is needed for reading.


    These are a variety of old photos of the area and the cans are 5" in diameter with adjustable eyeballs. They were purchased at the local Home Depot. 80% of the time I simply have a floor lamp on in the room for general lighting.

  • 8 days ago

    Beverly, your point is taken about residential vs commercial application.


    I'd guesstimate we are talking 1500 square feet or so "under" vault in a Scadanavian-modern type home. There are two adjoining vaults over the aforemenetioned areas. One is an inverted v shape that starts and ends at 8' H and goes up to about 14' in the middle. The other goes from around 8' up to 16' and then stays flat to the other outer wall, with some reduction due to the second floor. We have a number of good floor and table lamps that will remain, some quality lighted artwork, and will be doing high quality (95-99CRI, flicker-free, low dimmable, DTW, etc) undercab lighting. Also, possibly pendants over a large island, although having cable and cord hanging 8' down from the sloped ceiling is a topic of ongoing debate!


    But the whole area will need and benefit from general overhead lighting. We currently have a few of the 5 or 6" adjustable eyeballs like you'd get from HD and find them totally unsuitable and significantly down level from the level the rest of the planned rennovation. The iolites in our bathroom were around $100 each (driver + LED module + housing) and we felt they were well worth the polished modern look and for the light quality they provide.

  • PRO
    8 days ago

    I find that any downlight is unsuitable if it is lamped wrong. Please make sure you don't have any R lamps in the downlights.

    I would not use anything other than PAR bulbs. Whether it's LED or incandescent the reflectors in the PAR bulbs adds a sparkle to a room.

  • 8 days ago

    Perhaps the best thing to do would be to hire a firm such as Stetra Lighting which offers "Professional Photometric Plans & Lighting Design Services" so you get it right. No, I have not used this company; I just came across it when I was considering your houzz question.

  • 7 days ago

    There are a range of led recessed light options these days. Dimmable with different whiteness tones from warm 2700k to 6500k blue white. DMF has a good range.

  • 7 days ago

    Your question is based on a lighting concept meant for a gymnasium - uniform lighting trying to achieve the exact same metric at 30" above the floor across the entire space. Yet you have described different "space functions" within the entire ceiling plane, and where the ceiling is also divided into different planes. And surely there are doors, doorways, and windows in each "space" and areas within those spaces that do not need a focus of lighting to them.