Judi, I think Peach Melba can be trained to create a similar look. For example, here is New Dawn covering my neighbor’s fence. I am training Peach Melba over the arch.

Since I agree totally with judijunebugarizonazn8 that the rose has to be very, very flexible to get that look, how about Alberic Barbier?

La Perle (RVRs) is a great draper.

Dianela,

Take a look at:

Climbing Old Blush

Lamarque

Moses.

Elena thank you for the idea. I actually have Peach Melba and it could work because mine is grown as a self standing bush that grows 7 feet tall and then cascades down like a giant spider. Unfortunately Peach Melba is not available in the USA since palatine closed so purchasing several won’t be possible.

Judi I have definitely considered Mel’s heritage since it is a big favorite of mine. I neglected to mention I think I would prefer a plant that grows like large V self supported where the top canes arched and bended over to be seen from the other side since I don’t want to build supports over 100 feet of wall. I have Bathsheba doing this right now on a small fence, but I am not sure it wants to grow tall enough to work here.

Mad you and Judi are correct that one does look like something super flexible like a rambler. I may need to reconsider the ultimate look I want vs the need to get some support maybe? Alberic Barbier has my ideal color for the spot.

Sheila that’s a lovely rose and one I feel I need to have. Those wichurana ramblers do great here and certainly drape. I wonder if the wall itself could be enough support for these.

Moses on my way to research those options. I have a couple of weeks before my wall is finished so I want to get on it make some decisions. If I can’t commit to a rose I may end up making a Limelight hedge.

edit: Lamarque also looks perfect in bloom and color. I am afraid it says only zone 7b and the teas I have tried here die to the ground in our regular week of single digits.

Then, I think Lamarque is not the rose you are looking for.

How about America. It has the ability to get very large. I saw one 35 years ago in a home garden not far from me that was enormous. Could work for you. However, it will get black spot.

A Limelight hedge would take so much less maintenance, and have a long season of interest. One trim in early spring and that's it for the year!

Moses.

Dianela, what kind of wall are you building? If it’s wood, you can screw in bolt eyes every 5 ft horizontally in rows a foot apart and run cable through to attach the roses. If you’re building a masonry wall, the bolt eyes can be wet set in the mortar as you go in the same pattern. That’s what I did with my rock wall and it was so worth it. I have Golden Century on one of those walls and it drapes nicely as well. Unfortunately, Bathsheba isn’t quite working out as nicely in that way for me. It’s planted by the wall and is freestanding and it does fall over the top and down the other side a bit, but not in the same romantic draping way.

Any of these?
Teasing Georgia
Graham Thomas
Lady Hillingdon
Lunar Mist
Bathsheba
Crepuscule
Claire Jacquier
Reve d'Or
Celine Forestier
Clarence House
(BTW, Thanks to whoever suggested copying text and pasting it to avoid the Houzz app. I am always suspicious oof those apps.)

How do Hybrid Musks do in your area Dianela? I have seen Buff Beauty draping along and over a 6ft wall. It has the added qualities of being fragrant, repeat blooming and with reasonably-sized blooms for a HM.

Similarly, Mme. Alfred Carriere could maybe be trained to drape or it will arch freestanding - it’s the only tea noisette that doesn’t die back in winter, ball in wet weather nor fry in heat for me - although I do have it against a north-facing fence. Orientation/sun exposure as well as the length of your fence will be factors to consider. MAC needs space to sprawl, although I do keep her contained to around 8ft wide.

How about Peggy Martin? Or would you consider that to be "hot pink"?

I have a super disease resistent and vigorous one for you with abundant super bright yellow blooms- Château de Cheverny from DELBARD.

Elena, the reason you can train Peach Melba over your arch so beautifully as you’re doing, is because you have something to tie the canes down to: the trellis. When you have roses draping over a wall, there’s nothing to tie those branches down to unless you have a trellis or cables on the other side to pull them down and attach them to. Not an easy thing to do, as it would take constant maintenance. Even with my lax roses, I have to work at keeping them nice because the wind here wants to flip them back over the wall. Now if you plant them so that the prevailing winds work in your favor to keep them blowing the direction you want them to fall, you’re in luck.

Moses America’s color is too dark for what I would like I think, plus blackspot is a no go. If I use a a black spotter it would be an Austin because I like their bloom style.

Philipatx I will look into your list. I adore teasing Georgia and already have 4 near by. I am not opposed to more TG but her health tho great for an Austin is no where near perfect for blackspot. I will research your list since I am not familiar with many of them, but know that graham Tomas like many of the Austin’s get a lot of blackspot here.

Nollie the hybrid musks I have tried here all blackspot except Darlow’s enigma, but I love them 😍 so they are not out of the question. Unfortunately I shoveled pruned 1 Madama Alfred C at the lake and have a 2nd plant that after 5 years has not grown to cover the 5 feet tall fence between us and my neighbor. I just don’t know why a supposed monster doesn’t grow here.

Noseometer: I love Peggy Martin, but she is cooler and darker pink than I hopped for. The roses already in the area are 13 Sweet Mademoiselle and I was thinking the cool pink wouldn’t look great with the warm pink of SM.

Judi I am getting a brick fence. I could ask the guys the do the bolt eyes when they do the brick so I will consider that Option.

Hi dianela, I looked up the Treloar site to see if there was any help there. It came up with Cinderella Fairy Tale, which has a 5 star rating for blackspot, though I don't know if it would be tall enough.

Cinderella Fairy Tale

Also 4/5 for

Climbing Cecile Brunner

Trish thank you so much cinderella fairy tale is the one pale pink I was thinking i could use. Sunny in ms told me it gets very large.

Dianela, I didn't think I had anything to offer, since you already have Colette. Then I saw some photos on HMF of Strawberry Hill, an Austin that looks like a true climber. On the first pages were two photos from Lollipop Farms of SH on an arbor. Two more pages over, check out Johno's photos taken in the David Austin Rose Garden in Osaka, Japan. Eye popping with SH covering some kind of fence. I might add that I don't tie Colette down with anything and never have. She naturally grows over my arbor with absolutely no help from me. I don't think her canes are all that flexible. but somehow she does the whole thing on her own. Diane

Diane Strawberry Hills defoliated here before the end of the spring flush so I got rid of it. Honestly After seeing your pictures again I dont think I need to keep choosing and I am going to try Colette. She is perfectly healthy here and has enough warmth I think that it will look good near Sweet M.

I agree that Diane’s Colette is hard to beat. In fact I ordered one for myself last fall to replace my Ellie Beauvillain over my gate arch. Ellie is pretty enough in her own right but struggles badly with powdery mildew and I get so tired of fighting it that she’s going to make way for Colette. I’m hoping mine will drape as nicely over my arch as yours does, Diane, and best wishes to you, Dianela! Your brick wall will look charming with Colette falling over it.

Thank you Judi. I am going to follow your suggestion and buy the eye screws this weekend. I will ask the guys building the fence to please add them for me since I will have to work all next week while they do it. Hopefully Colette can drape enough. It is also available from Heirloom and I will rather not suffer trying to find something rare or not available.

I like Colette, great choice! In my garden she hasn’t been very vigorous so far, but she’s only two years old.

Lady banks drapes similar to the rose in your picture. I know its a vigorous rose and only blooms once but it is really beautiful when it does. It also smells amazing. when

Dianela, if your Colette is from Heirloom, it must be own root. Do you think this affects its vigor? I'm sure mine is grafted, but I notice our Edwards nursery is selling it own root, too, which is a change. I think the eye screws are a good idea, and might improve the draping effect. Good luck.

Elena, your Colette looks pretty vigorous to me. Diane

Often your first idea - Colette - turns out to be the best!

Colette and Abbaye de Cluny, are two of many of Diane’s roses I have always admired.

Elena your Colette is so beautiful. I know what you mean, my Peach Melba grows 7 to 8 feet before the end of the summer after being cut down to 2 feet of the ground every year. Hopefully Colette just needs some time own root.

Diane my own roots varieties seem to like my red clay even if they take an extra year so I am willing to wait. I will check around in case anyone offers it in multiflora just in case. For a chance to have a fence that looks half as nice as your arbor I can certainly wait.

Cgurt1107 Lady banks is very pretty but I dont know anyone who grows it sucessfully north of Birmigham alabama so I have never tried it. I may buy one to see what it does. For this project I need something truly hardy because I do not want to have much winter die back on what will make the entrance to my property.

Nollie I have always admired Diane’s garden also and Colette is definitely glorious.

I was coming here to recommend 'Madame Alfred Carriere', but I see that it doesn't thrive in your climate, Dianela. Mine are growing on the fence of a grass tennis court....I'm hoping to play tennis amongst the roses :) These are just getting to the top of the ten foot fence and beginning to drape. One reason I like this rose for this application is that it's relatively self supporting, with large upright canes that come up from the ground (shown better in the first picture).

This may be helpful for someone else who stumbles upon this thread looking for rose options.

Colette will be spectacular!!

Rosylady I have always admired MAC and its reputation for being a beast really helped me to choose it for my lake house where I hopped it would grow to the 2nd story railing. What are your low winter temps like? I wonder if anyone who gets single digit lows in the winter had a giant MAC or if it just here that is having issues. I have moved to a slightly different location so if anyone had a huge MAC in a zone 7a maybe I would try it again since I have space now.

Wow what an gorgeous place all around. It is most inspiring. I love what you are doing with your MACs also. Yes you may need to tell your gentleman helper that he may need to prune less. It is so hard to find help in the garden, I am so glad you have someome good you can trust.

I am over 50 now and am definitely don't want to fall off a ladder, so I let the young men help me but it is so hard to watch from the ground! I would like to micromanage every pruning cut, and try to give as much instruction as they can absorb:) Last year he waited until I was gone and hard pruned them. Ugh. This year I absolutely PUT MY FOOT DOWN and guarded the MACs like a hawk...hahahaha.

I am also letting my Devionensis be wild this year and it has huge 20 foot arching canes that are glorious, but driving him crazy. He keeps "checking" with me to see if I want him to prune it :))

What about Spirit of Freedom? Mine grow straight up but then they kinda drape over once past 6 ft or so. They are hardy but the color is a little on the cooler side of lilac pink. I do grow one next to Bathsheba, which is warmer and oranger but it seems to go better than I thought.

I was also going to suggest Peggy Martin (since her middle name IS Ms Drapey lol). I also though of MAC but I didnt realize she wasnt good for your zone. I agree Strawberry Hill does get blackspot here. I love her color and fragrance but she hasn't grown very large here. I have 3 of them.

Rosylady, your photo of MAC is divine ♡ I would love to see photos of your huge Devionensis when its blooming. I had a cl Devionensis at my old house and I miss it. I need to get another one.

I got an own root Cinderella Fairytail last year and it is very healthy but hasnt bloomed much yet so I cant really give an evaluation. I cant wait for it to get bigger and bloom more.

Sultry I have once SoF but it hasnt been very vigorous. After 4 years it has 3 canes, so I do not know if it is a dud. I would prefer something either warm or near white for the area. I was wondering about Wollerton Old Hall also since I adore that bloom shape, but I dont have blackspot info.

To be entirely honest Dianela, I have not grown most of those I threw out there, and know them by reputation only. (I did have Teasing Georgia at one point, but had it poorly placed, not realizing what a beast it would be. It was eating the garden!)
I understand that Clarence House (by the late Amanda Beales) is a very under-rated and under-marketed "English" rose that meets your description. (Mine is still on the small size, so I can't comment from personal experience.) And except for being pale pink with smaller flowers, from my experience, Perfume Breeze would fit (if you like *strong* sweet fragrances!)

dianela, I looked up Wollerton Old Hall on Treloar's site and they on;y give it 3/5 for disease resistance. In my garden I've found that anything under 4/5 isn't worth trying. Golden Gate, a yellow Kordes climbing rose, gets 4/5. There are a couple of Persica Hybrid roses in the colour range you're after, by an English breeder called Christopher Warner, but they don't appear to be available in the US.

I got Wollerton old Hall last year. It hasnt done much at all but it doesnt seem to get much black spot. I think it must be growing roots first and was getting too much shade so I just moved it to a sunnier spot. I wasn't super impressed by its flowers. They fell apart quickly in our heat last summer. It is a baby still and I think the Austins usually improve with age so we will see.

Rosy Lady, that helper would make me nervous he would prune too much too.

Wollerton old hall is a slow grower for me as well. It is starting its 3rd year with me and barely throwing out climbing canes. The canes are very thick and not pliable. Its also thorny. It is very healthy though. The blooms don’t handle the heat the greatest but not much in Arizona does in summer. It does like to bloom a lot and is covered when it does, but they blow fast. The bees love it and it smells amazing. It has pretty hips. No pictures of the flowers because I guess they haven’t wowed me yet.

Ah, Perfume Breeze would be a beautiful, fragrant choice! And how about Malvern Hills? I have no experience with it and don’t have a clue what it’s disease resistant is like.

This is Perfume Breeze on the left of the photo. Not trying to change you mind, Dianela. Just have to show you how lovely Perfume Breeze is.

Thank you all, It seems WoH is a no go, I would like a vigorous healthy variety. Judi you are welcome to add recommendations any time. I actually was using chat gpt to try and see how the different color roses would look on my brick. My brick is called magnolia which is a whitish coated brick. I really love yellows lately so Malven hills sounds wonderful I just dont know how it does with blackspot. Perfume breeze looks spectacular too and fragance would be so amazing, but I will have to inquire about blackspot resistance also.

ALL my roses were fully leafed out and we went down from 70 yesterday to 32 that feels like 18 with winds up to 30 miles per hour. Tomorrow will go down to 26 so I guess all the foliage is done for. The cold is also delaying my fence so as long as it isnt finished I have time to decide what to plant.

Perfume breeze is rock solid here. I have multiples. Marvern hills so far so good. I had to give MAC a lot of TLC such as fertilizer but she picked up last year and bloomed the whole time. She will die back on bad winters like this past winter and the 1 before but will remain at least 6' tall.-8 Fahrenheit with harsh wind chill.

Cornelia is 1 of my favorites Also. She blooms a lot and is pretty good for black spot. Very charming. I think gearlander Moore would be overwhelmed. Sorry for the voice recognition hopefully you can figure that 1 out. Bathsheba does pretty well here. Have you considered autumn sunset or is that a no-go due to your experience with golden opportunity? I'll have to review my rose list. I know I'm forgetting another yellow David Austin. Oh yeah teasing Georgia. Pretty good.

Was Cinderella mentioned ? I need to read this post, but I would definitely suggest her. Thorny but with the natural V shape that will cascade over. I grow 2 of them just as bushes and that is what they do. Have you ever grown jasmina or The generous gardener or The Fairy, Cl? The latter may be too deep a shade, but is a fantastic lithe-limbed winner.

Colette is a gorgeous rose but I don't grow her. I'd love to try her though so if you do I look forward to your feedback. Go for it! I'm just putting my other suggestions for other readers.

Vapor it is great to read your post. If those roses done well for you with blackspot maybe they would do well for me. Teasing Georgia was one of my original ideas, but I already have 4 in the ground behind the fence area so being greedy I thought I wanted something else. Tho maybe lots of the same rose makes it look more cohesive?

I have never used chat gpt before, but i thibk it may help me visualise better. It is difficult for me to see the whole picture. I do not have the designers eye many of you all have here, I just plant whatever I came up with that day and go with the flow.

lol this is what it came up with after I explained what I want to create. I will continue to experiment.

I totally understand wanting to go with something different. That is why I have so many climbers! I just try and blend them and create something pretty But it's a crap shoot! Your gardens have always been phenomenal so I think whatever you choose will be gorgeous and colette seems to fit the bill color wise. Do you have any trees Upon which to grow some roses? I should send you a PM. The main thing that I often forget Is that they normally have a staggered bloom. So I think they're gonna look A certain way altogether and they bloom at different times.

Vapor I have lots of trees, but havent been able to grow any climbers on them. They are mostly big oaks and cedars. I will take any special tips you can offer. I think my canopies are too wide and too shady.

Dianela, here is Colette after two very cold nights (19°F) — unbelievable, but no damage at all, even though she was uncovered.

One of my favorite roses that will drape, is a gorgeous peach color, for me is disease free, is Crepuscule. Just gorgeous when in bloom and it is almost always in bloom - the cane drape and trail and would do great on your wall. Another favorite is Clair Matin, a clear pink. Take a look at Crepuscule - I think you will like this one. I would be in the Top 10 roses if I had to pick.

Judith

Elena thats great news! I certainly want a rose that does well and tip hardy to the single digits. I am def trying her. I already have one planted, but I will be getting a few more.

Judith I have always admired Crepuscle, but it is only zone7 rated and even tho we are zone 7 our tiny area has crazy deeps to 2 or even zero degrees every few years. People who are not careful and plant the azaleas everyone have south of Birmingham alabama end up losing many of them whenever that happens so I try to stick to zone 6

You are exactly right - didnt take your zone into conideration! I lost a couple of mine during our "Snowmageddon" in 2012. Noisettes are sissies when it comes to cold weather! You said you didnt want hot pink, but one of my favorite tough climbers is High Flyer - disease free - blooms ALL the time and tough as nails. Grows fast - I have 3 and would love more. I have 2 in my pink bed and it looks good with paler shades of pink. I trim it as a standard and it blooms solid pink. with all those branches fanning out. Not very well known, I think, but one of my best climbers.