I've try "hygenic" but doesn't seem to change anything. May try "allergy" next time.... :)

Yes, the default is "water+/extra rinse". If you change that to "water+" there'll not be an extra rinse cycle in the Sensitive option......

Since "water+/extra rinse" is the default, is there some other way via the menus to get it to actually add more water to the wash and rinse? There is absolutely nothing about the default wash and default rinse that smacks of it using one ounce of water more than absolutely necessary. It uses so little water that it's not till about 5 minutes into the cycle when some of the clothing in the middle of the drum actually get wet.

It sounds like choosing "water+" actually gives you less water as it takes away the extra rinse. Does that option add water to the wash cycle? Right now these options don't make a lot of sense to me.

Maximum Water Level = Yes

Very nice rinse water levels :-)

Doesn't appear to change wash levels :-(

I wish to compare notes with others who have entered the W4840 manual programming mode. Are your selections as follows? Thanks.
# Function Options
01 Reset
02 Language (listing)
03 Water Plus Water+, Extra Rinse, Water+/Extra Rinse
04 Gentle Action Off, On
05 Suds Cooling Off, On
06 Temperature Celsius, Fahrenheit
07 Buzzer (scale)
08 Keypad Tone (scale)
09 Display Contrast (scale)
10 Brightness (scale)
11 Standby On, Not in Current Plan
12 Memory Off, On
13 Drum Lighting Off, On
14 Water Intake Cold, Hot + Cold
15 Maximum Water Level Off, On
16 Flow Meter No, Yes
17 Low Water Pressure No, Yes
18 Rinse Process No, Yes
19 Allergy Off, On
20 Country Version (listing)
21 Automatic Load Control Off, On
22 Heater Rating 760W, 1060W, 2100W, 2500W, 2600W, 3000W, 4200W, 4600W, 5300W, 8100W
23 Drum Capacity ASA, NSA
24 Imbalance Charts Chart 1, Chart 2
25 Maximum Spin 1200rpm, 1300rpm, 1400rpm, 1500rpm, 1600rpm, 1700rpm, 1800rpm, 1900rpm, 2000rpm
26 Water Valve Valves, Water Guide (4 pos), Water Guide (5 pos)
27 Machine Front Loader, Top Loader
28 Hygiene Info Off, On
29 Bleach Off, On
30 Exit

"Maximum Water Level = Yes

Very nice rinse water levels :-)

Doesn't appear to change wash levels :-("

I'm happy about my wash water level, however, more rinse water level is always welcome.... ;)

Just wash a load of 3 hard shell and 2 soft shell with a tablespoon of Perwoll powder in "Outerwear" (cold 30C).....

Clean and rinse very very well!! :)

ps: I've reset the programming mode to factory setup now....

Here is a link that might be useful: Perwoll powder!

Give me one of those machines with an 8100W heater! That must be a serious 3-phase commercial machine.

Just want a wee bit more water in the wash. If you use one of the cycles that fills a bit more you see that a little more water lets the clothing SLAP and fall with a bit more vigor as the drum goes around. When it takes 5 minutes for the inner portion of your load to wet it's telling me there just isn't enough water.

Gordon,

The line item of the laptop software did not show the following: 760W, 4600W, 5300W, 8100W, and one other between, but I cannot recall which one it was.

Factory is 1060W, and the other choices were selectable although the tech told me that are unauthorized to change this setting as mandated by Corporate.

This is why Miele doesn't want end users adjusting their own machines, and is also the downfall of their universal firmware design. They could have created universal firmware that would query some electronic identifier within the machine and then only present options that were appropriate for that machine. If they wanted to go wild, they could have created a small subset of common configuration options for official end user use. The most common end user desires may be: setting rinse and wash water levels, max spin speeds (only showing the appropriate choices), and UI settings (signal volume, display contrast, etc).

I'd like a setting where you tell the Miele the temperature of your DHW supply and piping distance to the source (e.g. close, medium, far). With such info the machine could make better ATC decisions and set better approximate cycle times when the internal heater comes into play. Better yet, let the machine "learn" these factors and use them in future cycles. Again, that shouldn't be a big deal to program. LG is already doing something similar with their adaptive spin speed stuff. Also letting the customer decide if they want the default non-heater in normal or optionally allow the heater in normal would be nice.

I like some of these suggestions however I don't think they could be carried out in the normal cycle. The normal cycle is the one the government tests for Energy Star compliance. Allowing the user to be able to use more water, higher heat and so on in this cycle would probably raise a red flag. I don't think I would tamper with the heater adjustment - could you burn it out with too much Voltage?

Gordon,

I agree with you on the consumer adjusting their settings. Supposedly, matters will change a bit when the module is released, but it is a wait-and-see proposition on what the consumer can do. I have not adjusted any of the settings on our washer manually. Obviously, Miele has spun-off the basis of the W4840 brain from its commercial products, as you alluded to in another thread, and witnessed by the 8100W listing.

I too would like to be able to make my own programs, within the parameters allowed by Miele, and enter them into the MasterCare menu. I did notice that there is one aspect that is not accounted for, and imperative to any custom setting, and that is the agitation (revolutions) used in a cycle as they are different; run the Woolen cycle and you will see what I mean. The predetermined selections including the standard buttons have several variables that are not adjustable, and need to be written into each cycle/program. I am hoping that the MieleVision (that I have since learned may or not be named MieleVision) will allow the user to do what we want to achieve.

jerrod6,

Fair enough on Normal. Everyone is doing it. Can't blame the companies for playing the game even if that game makes no sense. Marketing is important as well. If you don't sell, you won't have the money to develop new and better products.

I do blame them for not providing an easy to figure out normal alternative which has all the non-energy star stuff enabled. Don't get me wrong, I'm about as low-carbon energy efficient as they come short of doing a solar house; just want a fairly efficient washer that will do it right. It's taken a little work, but I've concluded that Mastercare-Extra White is a good alternative to Normal when using Very Warm or Hot (w/extended or Heavy Soil options). The bigger problem is finding a good alternative to Normal when you desire a "warm" temperature. After trying different things I've concluded the best option is to just use the Normal setting. With our DHW set to 122F, a Normal "very warm" fill comes in around 107F and a "warm" fill is around 100F. Over the course of the wash cycle you'll loose about 4 degrees from those starting temps. Miele almost has what you want with their custom cycle, but it does fall short on rinse spins.

You want something like the Miele W3985 sold in Australia

I am out of the loop when it comes to DWH because I have a whole house tankless one. Don't most DWH come factory set to 120F or 122F?

jerrod6,

I believe the typical DHW tank has a thermostat that can be set anywhere up to maybe 140F and fairly low for vacation setback. Some plumbing codes do require tempering valves that limit supply temps to 120 give or take for safety reasons.

We have a Viessmann Vitodens wall hung boiler with a Vitocell indirect DHW tank. In the boiler control you can set the DHW circuit temp and do a bunch of other stuff like set a schedule for when DHW can be produced or set a scheduled higher temp rise to guard against Legionella pneumophila. The setup has very high efficiency generating DHW and will even condense through parts of the process even though the temperatures are elevated.

I grew up with domestic hot water heated by our boiler. Talk about HOT water. In the winter it was coming out of the faucet at 180F. Funny none of us got burned either.