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Connecting all grounds when extending run?

19 years ago

I have a light switch I'm relocating to a different spot. Since it's not possible to replace the entire run of cable without damaging finished areas, I'm using the box where the original switch was located to splice a new piece of cable onto it, which then goes to the new location. The original box will house an new, unrelated switch for a different lighting circuit (on the same breaker, though, if that matters).

Now the question is, obviously I need to connect all wires to the corresponding ones to extend the run. However, do I only connect the grounds of that run together, or do I connect them also to the other grounds in that same box?

Comments (9)

  • 19 years ago

    Grounding is continuous throughout the house. In a metal device box, one jumper to the box ground screw should be pigtailed to all grounds flowing in and out of that box.

  • 19 years ago

    Thanks. I have a follow-up question, too, because it seems I'll run out of space in that box.

    The box is going to have to switches to control lights, one 3-way and one single pole.

    So it'll have
    - 1 14/2 coming in (line power)
    - 1 14/2 going out to light 1
    - 1 14/2 going out to light 2 (3-way switched)
    - 1 14/3 going in (3-way switch)
    - 1 14/2 going out to power a receptacle

    plus, because of the splice mentioned above

    - 2 14/3 going in/out

    If I got this right, that adds up to
    - 4 allowances for 2 switches
    - 1 allowance for ground
    - 17 allowances for conductors

    which is 22 -> 44 inches required, plus possibly another 2 for the clamps (do the internal clamps in those blue plastic boxes count?)

    I can't look at the box which is currently there right now, it's a typical blue Carlton plastic 2-gang, but I'm quite sure it doesn't have enough volume.

    Are there any boxes available that would suit my situation (the wall is 2x6, so there should be enough room), or do I have to go about relocating the 14/3-14/3 splice into its own box?

    Also, I guess I could save one 14/2 going out for the lights by making this side of the 3-way hook up to line and running the lights from the other end...

  • 19 years ago

    A 4 11/16 X 2 1/8 box with a 1/2 inch 2 gang mud ring will be big enough to do what you are after.

    It is generally a good thing to spread wire around between several boxes when you can. It would be great if the 14-3 wires you are splicing could be moved to a box in the attic or basement, the power fed to the receptacle first, and the light run from the other 3 way. While the box size I provided will work it will be full enough that installation of a dimmer or 2 might be pretty difficult.

    I have read several conflicting articles about the markings in non-metallic boxes but the manufacturers say that a 1 wire allowance needs to be deducted from the conductor fill stamped into the box for the clamps. Based on what I see it would appear most people, including inspectors, don't seem to be aware of the fact.

  • 18 years ago

    If you are stapling your cable within 6 - 8 inches of the box, you don't need any clamps on a plastic box, do you? So you wouldn't need to deduct 1 wire allowance from what's stamped on the box? I'm new at this, and I don't know my butthole from my pie-hole, just looking for some clarification. Thanks.

    ;)

  • 18 years ago

    The plastic boxes "clamps" aren't counted for box fill. Now, if it were a metal box with actual clamps that tighten with a screw, then yes it would count.

  • 18 years ago

    All grounds regardless of which circuit they come from are to be connected together.

  • 18 years ago

    A "floating" ground would serve no purpose at all. Tie all them babies (grounds) together. They're useless unless they have an uninterrupted path to the panel where they are then routed to your grounding means(cold water and outdoor grounding rod).

  • 18 years ago

    They're useless unless they have an uninterrupted path to the panel where they are then routed to your grounding means(cold water and outdoor grounding rod).

    Uh, well, not quite. Those equipment grounds are quite useful when they're connected to the center tap of the transformer, which is the principal ground for short circuits, etc. The grounding rod is mostly there to handle lightening strikes.

    I don't think the OP was proposing a "floating ground". The question, as I read it, was whether the grounds should be bonded on a per-circuit basis (like neutrals). I think we all agree that they are all bonded together regardless of circuit.

  • 18 years ago

    matt m I think I can clarify things for you. See, your pie hole is the one you shovel pie into see, and ...well.... you know.