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Install electric cooktop

19 years ago

Hi

I am supposed to install an electric cooktop. I checked breaker box and it s on a 40A breaker with 8/3 wire ( see pic)

It's specified for the new cooktop:dual rated 240v or 208 volta.Connect to only a 4 wire120/240 or 120/208 volt ac system. The neutral is required for the operation of this appliance and an independant ground is required.

Do I need a different line or connect white/neutral to ground from cooktop to ground/green wire from main anyway?

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/4675/2055/640/109695/P1010020.jpg

Thanks

JF

Comments (11)

  • 19 years ago

    you need 8/3 with ground (two hots, neutral and ground) to properly install the cooktop.

    NEC specifies following manufacturer's instructions

  • 19 years ago

    Hi
    Thanks
    Do i need to rewire to the main ( crazy task), or run the ground from cooktop outside to a 8ft pole? Neutral/white would be connected to ground for 8/3 back to breaker box...

  • 19 years ago

    I think it has to go from the main because as it is now there is no neutral. The neutral may not be a bare (or green) wire.
    Also the 8 ft ground rods are for panels and are usually supplemental.

  • 19 years ago

    Read rod instead of pole..

  • 19 years ago

    Not sure about the significance of your picture, but your 8/3 cable has two hot wires (red and black) which go to the 40A double breaker which in the pic I assume is in the "off" position. We can't see where the neutral (white) wire goes, but it should go to the neutral bus bar which is in the upper left part of the panel. You should also have a ground (bare copper) wire which runs to either the neutral bus or the ground bus. The ground and neutral busses are bonded together in the panel. That's the only safe way to hook up the 8/3 in your panel. At the cooktop receptacle, the red and black go to either of the two line connections, the white goes to the neutral, and the bare copper first loops under the ground screw in the 4 11/16" box and then to the ground lug of the receptacle. If you don't have 8/3 wire as described, then you'll have to re-wire. Do not connect the white wire to ground if you only have 8/2.

  • 19 years ago

    Hi
    Well I was confused certainly .The wire which goes to the cooktop looks like 8/2 with ground ( red/black/bare)...pic
    So there is no neutral it seems going to the cooktop.
    http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/4675/2055/640/856491/P1010011.jpg
    Good lesson... I should have asked before buying this cooktop. Going to be pretty crazy to bring a wire from the garage to kitchen
    Thanks
    JF
    http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/4675/2055/640/235998/P1010021.jpg

  • 19 years ago

    Well if it is existing wire from years ago when the code allowed it, you can bond the ground of the cooktop to the neutral white wire. If the wire is only 8/2 with ground, it never was code for a 120/240 appliance and it must be re-wired. You can not connect the white of the cooktop to the green or bare wire. If the cable has red, black, and white and is already there, you should be able to use it and the white is both the neutral and the grounding conductor.

  • 19 years ago

    There is no neutral/wire at junction box.Could the ground coming from main used as neutral?

  • 19 years ago

    No it sure can't this is a problem that many people violate an it is dangerous. I take it you are a contractor. Do the correct thing and wire 8/3 with ground from the panel to the cooktop, just bill the customer for your time or an electricians. Using the grounding wire as a neutral would be dangerous as it would be using the bare wire as a current carrying conductor. Electricians are suppose to be able to assume that the removal of a ground wire (while working in a panel) won't possibly kill them. Even if the cable had a white with no ground it would still be dangerous although allowed. If the white came loose in the panel, the entire chasis of the appliance would become a hot wire waiting to electrocute the next person that touches it allowing the componets that use the neutral to turn on. What you have there (black, white, and bare) is good for 240 only and not 120/240

  • 19 years ago

    I am not in the business at all. Installed the cooktop this afternoon in my kitchen and was doing my homework on the internet before connecting the wires.I will contact an electrician now cause this job is out of my knowledge.
    Thanks again!
    JF

  • 19 years ago

    Oh ok just got from the "I am supposed to install" guess that is just your own suppose to :) Yeah it will be a great thing to have this done correctly.

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