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Code Resolution

18 years ago

The thread on one family's troubles with the electrical code has gotten me thinking about a couple of things. Obviously there are "local" interpretations of the electrical and every other building code. Certainly there are some parts of any code (just like civil or criminal law) that subject to interpretation. There are other "local" codes that seem to have no basis other than someone, somewhere decided "this is the we're going to do things." Certainly that raises the question of how much extra homeowners and business owners pay for tradesman to comply with varying codes.

But what I really wanted to ask is what happens when you disagree with the AHJ. Obviously there are likely some diminishing returns for the average homeowner but what happens on a commercial or industrial project where a "interpretation" of the code could add tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to the cost of the project? Does anyone know what happens when there is enough money at stake to make it cost effective to fight the AHJ's decision?

Comments (6)

  • 18 years ago

    When there is that much money on the table, some will often spill off and set things right. But generally what happens when "you" disagree with the inspector is that "you" end up walking away mumbling to yourself and eventually rework the job to suit the AHJ.

  • 18 years ago

    First off, the issue the Chicagoland poster has is not an "interpretation" issue. The written codes are clear there, it's just that they are different than the National code and the diyer didn't bother to check.

    Yes, I've had "convention" issues (often with the configuration of things at rough-in) that aren't even addressed by the code. The answer is, little stuff you just fix to the inspectors liking. Difference over what the intpretations you can fight up the AHJ chain. I've seen it done. Again you have to gauge what the effort is versus the gains for bucking the system. It's only usually an issue if there is substantial money involved or their telling you that some feature you wish to have can't be done.

  • 18 years ago

    PEs are allowed to inspect and seal off large projects in most jurisdictions.
    You did not think that an inspection department handles large industrial installations did you?

    There are actually painfully few arguments you will win with an AHJ for residential work.
    It is when the inspectors see things not common in residential work they can mess up.

    Install a motor only circuit for large machinery in a house and watch them try to figure it out.

    For the most part you will not win, and even if I could win it is rarely worth the effort.
    If the same inspector keeps causing me problems I will write a letter to his boss demanding a written opinion.

    It can be carried up the chain of command from that point.

    I have only done it a couple times in about 30 years since most of the issues have been over specification (may cost money but do not create a safety issue).

    If the demand creates a safety issue I fight back.
    Inspectors have immunity from mistakes.
    My PE stamp is on the line.

  • 18 years ago

    In every jurisdiction that I am licensed in, there is a written prodcedure for dealing with Code "interpretation".
    Usually you can appeal to the chief electrical inspector, then the chief building inspector, and then even move up to the state board level if necessary.
    There are some bastards out there but if you carefully prove your point and back it up with solid facts and code articles, you should be able to get what you want.
    If there are issues, the best thing to do is request a courtesy inspection, walk the inspector through the project and find out what his pet peeves are before you yank any wire.

  • 18 years ago

    and keep your attitude in check. if you act a butt to teh AHJ, then all future inspections by him WILL be very strict. that is just human nature, you show him he is wrong and he will get even. and this case the AHJ has the power to make your life hell!

  • 18 years ago

    In the city in which we live, I am a city commissioner on the Electrical Code Board of Review. Very simply, we are the final word on issues between building/home owners and the city and its version of the NEC code. We will not allow commercial occupancy permits until a building's electrical is brought up to code. On occasion we settle issues with home builders.

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