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LED confusion

11 years ago

hello folks

I am building an new house and while I'll have an electrician do all the wiring I want to understand the best way of dealing with LED lights. Any answer is appreciated perhaps except - leave it to the professional :-).

There will be four types of basic lights:

  1. recessed not to be dimmed
  2. recessed to be dimmed
  3. lamps/scones not to be dimmed
  4. lamps/scones to be dimmed

the requirements of the functioning system are:

  1. quiet operations (no buzzing)

  2. light that is closer to white than yellow or violet

  3. no unwanted effects like flickering, pop-outs, drop-outs

  4. reliable and industry standard product

  5. dimming down to ~ 20% of max brightness

  6. reasonable cost

My confusion comes from the fact that there are:

  • LED light bulbs that are dimmable (and ones that are perhaps not ???)

  • recess housing / lamps / scones specific to incandescent

  • recess housing specific to LED of which some, and perhaps all, include dimming drivers\engines. (I am not sure if LED specific lamps / scones exist as well)

  • dimmer switches specific to Incandescent

  • dimmers switches specific to LED

for the non dimming application, I assume, I will be OK with standard (incandescent) recess housings / laps / scones + LED light bulbs but dimmable setups are not very clear to me - I most likely will need a LED specific dimmer swicth and LED light bulbs (duhhh) but can I use standard incandescent recess housing / lamp / scone and meet all my requirements?

what would be the preferred and still economical setup?

Thank you very much


Comments (7)

  • 11 years ago

    You might do better in the lighting forum. In addition to that, the Lighting Research Center at RPI is a good place to read up: http://www.lrc.rpi.edu

  • 11 years ago

    Thx much. Will post in the Lightning form. Cheers


  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    When you look at recessed lights you also need to verify that the housing, trim kit and bulbs you want to use all work together. I bought 4" Halo housings at Home Depot and installed them in the ceiling. When I tried later to install the trim kits and the bulbs I found that if I used the Halo brand trim kits, Home Depot does not carry a bulb that is small enough in diameter to fit inside the opening . HD carries a lot of LED bulbs, but all the recommended sizes (PAR20?) were too big to fit through the Halo trim and screw into the socket.

    I had to take back the bulbs and trim kits and use a Halo retrofit kit that was both bulb and trim in one unit. The price was not much different, but I lost the option of selecting from several types of Halo trim kits.

    Bruce

  • 11 years ago

    THX much. Martin


  • 11 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    You might find trouble looking for white light LEDs, you usually find them in fluorescents and CFLs. Manufactuers have picked up on the fact that most people like soft white (yellow) for home, which is similar to incandescent. Make sure you check the kelvin before you buy.

    Soft White (yellow) = 2700k to 3500k

    Bright White (white) = 3500k to 4500k

    Daylight (white with hint of blue) = 5000k to 6500k

    Also remember that paint colors look different with different light temperature. So when choosing paint color, do it with the correct light that you plan to use.

  • 11 years ago

    I personally like lightolier recessed cans, but am unaware if they are compatible with led. Go with halo cans because i know they work, and are costs effective. There are dimmable and non dimmable leds. I would definitely just make sure that you get all the same brand leds to ensure you get the desired effect. Most give off a white light, but some do have a blueish type white light.

  • 11 years ago

    Good pointers guys. Thx. blueish is always better than yellowish IMHO. Yes, I have been looking at HELO cans - have them in my existing house and they do work quite well

    so the input so far has been

    standard but good quality cans.housings like Helo
    dimmable LEDs that will fit into the above cans and that will allow to use a desired trim; proper color\temp
    LED compatible dimmable switch rated for the number of LEDs connected to the switch

    The most important part is that I do seem to need to but LED specific recessed housing which is about 4 X as much as a good quality Helo housing

    Cheers


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