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New HVAC in Attic :( HELP!

11 years ago

So, I have an old home, and unfortunately there were few options to install HVAC in the second story without major cost as there was no forced air in the home. I put in a mini split in the first floor main area that is big enough to handle the living room and kitchen. I was going to go with mini splits in each of the 3 bedrooms upstairs, but it was recommended to go with a duct system through the attic to save quite a bit of money on equipment. I went with this option... After the equipment was installed, my HVAC contractor suggested that I install an electric exhaust fan in the attic vent. So I started to research attic fans, and to my frustration, I uncovered some very disturbing issues with attic exhaust fans and subsequently the major pitfalls of attic HVAC units. Apparently attic fans will only suck in 'conditioned air' into the attic and thus making my system work harder... I'm beyond angry (you know that sick feeling you have), I splurged for on higher SEER rated equipment and 2-stage fans to improve my energy efficiency, only to find that they were installed in the worst place possible. It looks as though, my money 13K, would have been better spent on mini-splits for every room. So.... what can I do to mitigate my losses??? Should I make my attic a conditioned space (I do have knee walls that can complicate issue)??? Or should add more insulation to my ducts/air handler (duct wrap)??? Do I use an attic fan if I ensure good air flow by using baffles??? Notes: (the workmanship on the project looks great despite my contractor being ill-informed on the issues of putting HVAC in the attic. i.e. all the ducts are the flex tubes with R-6 insulation, they main trunk is insulated with a thermal barrier (R-8), foil tape used on all joints, insulated return/supply vents. Please help!

Comments (8)

  • 11 years ago

    Don't get too upset about having the air handler and duct work installed in the attic. Many builders will do this in new homes in order to save money. It is always better to install the equipment inside the conditioned space whenever possible. The 3 mini splits would have cost more than $13K, but probably not much more.

    You could condition the attic space but that is expensive. A compromise would be to build an insulated room around the equipment. You could cover the duct work with additional insulation as best you can.

    Attic powered exhaust fans have a bad reputation because most are installed incorrectly. I have had one in my attic for many years and I think it helps in keeping the second floor cool. If you install one, you must have adequate air intakes. If you don't then you will create negative air pressure and conditioned air from the house can be pulled into the attic. I recommend installing a cut off switch so the fan does not come on during warm days in the spring and fall.

  • 11 years ago

    I read through your post a few times and I guess I am missing exactly what your problem is. Is the A/C not keeping the upstairs cool? Have you found it to be expensive to run? As for the attic fan, if you haven't installed it yet, why not try it a while without it and see what happens?

  • 11 years ago

    @Dovetonsils: I am concerned with energy efficiency, cost, and wear-n-tear on equipment. Basically, am I going to be paying x amount of more dollars per month be cause of the heating or cooling of the air through the ducts. I heard the temp loss can be as much as -15 to -25 degrees.

  • 11 years ago

    pav's do cool off attics, for the reasons you list.

    they also exacerbate duct leakage.

    but it is what it is at this point.


    foam insulating the attic would take care of

    extreme heat gain from attic kneewalls,

    and put both ductwork & equipment inside

    an insulated semi conditioned space.

    while you don't give your location... in mine putting

    additional insulation over ductwork will cause condensation

    issues. not so in dry climates. so your location plays

    into the decision.

    you can insulate & use a foil faced foam board to

    air seal & add insulation value to the kneewalls.

    done effectively it will address some of the heat

    gain through the walls.

    southface inst had excellent detail in this pdf:

    http://www.southface.org/default-interior/Documents/airsealingkeypoints.pdf


    best of luck



  • 11 years ago

    @energy_rater_la: Thanks for the advice/pdf. I live in Maryland. My ducts are flex ducts with an R-6 rating. Can I add additional foil-face insulation duct wrap to help?

  • 11 years ago

    not sure for your climate. talk to some local hvac folks

    & see if the two vapor barriers will cause the insulation

    to condensate. wrapping over flex, you have a reflective

    vapor barrier, then adding more insulation & another

    reflective surface adds another vapor barrier.


    personally, I'd concentrate on mastic sealing each

    duct at the take off collar at the supply plenum.

    then mastic seal each plenum where it connects

    to the equipment. and the return where it sits

    on the attic floor. (open the return and caulk

    from inside...each 2x to each other & corners of 2x's)


    average duct leakage is 30% nationwide, so duct

    sealing is a fast return of the sweat to get it done.


    then you'd remove the supply grills from inside the house

    and use Hardcast brand #1402 mastic tape to seal supply

    boxes at ceiling. see attached pic.


    we have lots of duct systems in attics here. not the best

    way to go...but like I said...it is what it is.


    best of luck...



  • 11 years ago

    Well, I've been reading A LOT about his subject. I have scheduled an energy audit to see how to tackle the problem. I may just make the attic a conditioned space. I feel confident I could do this on my own without much issue, but I do have and English/French Cottage style house... i.e. tons of knee walls and varying roof lines, which makes the process that much more difficult. I'll keep everyone posted. Thanks for the help!


  • 11 years ago

    I'm in FL and just went through this exercise. Had the HVAC contractor re-insulate and seal all the ductwork, but he botched the job badly, so I re-did it myself. Properly sealing and wrapping metal ductwork and sealing all the joints, eliminating kinks in flex return ducts, and replacing old and rotting 1" ductboard transitions and boxes solved most of the problems, but I think there remain problems related to the ductwork design. I'm really interested in seeing the results of your energy audit.

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