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Kitchen remodel, looking to cut back on costs

13 years ago
What began as a simple(??) kitchen remodel has grown... we're knocking down the wall to the dining room, adding in a front vestibule, and opening up the staircase that separates the living and dining rooms. It's going to be gorgeous, but the costs are starting to add up.

So I'm starting to look at materials, and thinking we can save by making smart choices. We're VERY easy to please; give us 4 or 5 choices on almost anything and we'll find something we love.

We're getting Home Depot cabinets-- I think that means Kraftmade. I would like the cinnamonny look of cherry, though I think we can save a bit by getting some other material... what do you pros recommend? Maple? Oak? something else?

We're probably getting granite counters, and I see several I like in what most places are calling Group 1. I like Baltic Brown and Tan Brown, but I'm open to suggestions.

For flooring, the contractor has given us a $5 psf allowance. We haven't looked at that yet, but are thinking tile. (We have a small pool in the yard, 3 kids, and a dog. So it will have to be durable and relatively non-slip if possible.)

Anyone want to guide me? I'm pretty much in this house for life; by the time resale value is a factor, it will be time for a brand new kitchen anyway. So I'm looking for something that will look nice and stand up to the wear and tear of a family.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Comments (17)

  • 13 years ago
    Also, at the local cabinet maker, cherry was only a few hundred more than maple/alder aver the whole kitchen....don't rule anything that is exactly what you want before pricing it out. :)
  • 13 years ago
    Zennifer is right. We got cabinet drawers through a local cabinetmaker that were the same ones manufactured for Kraftmade. They were cherry with a beaded detail and our local guy got us a solid furniture grade 3/4 ply carcasses, dovetailed, soft close drawers and a totally custom sized kitchen for considerably less than a big box would have charged. Don't forget, big boxes have a big markup for overhead and there are only a few large manufacturers of cabinets and drawers that a local cabinetmaker can order to his specifications. This gives you more flexibility with customization and lower cost for the same product.
  • 13 years ago
    Fwiw, I'd not pick a counter until you've picked a cabinet, then take the cabinet door sample to pick the granite. I'm not sure cherry and brown will work together...

    ...but cherry color and other level ones like verde peacock or butterfly would be stunning. We almost went with one if those even though we could do a more expensive stone.

    If you definitely want the brown, then pick a cabinet to match the granite slab you pick.
  • 13 years ago
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    I tried to post a link, but no luck.

    I really like the look of the cinnamonny reddish-brown cabinets, but don't particularly care what type of wood they are.

    I do want to keep an eye on the budget for the granite, so I would like to stick with "group 1" pricing.... it's simply too easy to get carried away with expenses.

    I'm looking at some of the golds, and Santa Cecelia... anyone have any suggestions on the granite or the tile?
  • 13 years ago
    OK, I think I found my kitchen.

    It's here on Houzz, The cabinets are Kraftmaid Cherry with a Cinnamon Stain. The granite is Gialto Veneziano.

    Now, in the even that these aren't budget friendly, does anyone have any suggestions for a similar look with a lower price tag?
  • 13 years ago
    Yes, call a local cabinetmaker and ask him if he can get the doors you've chosen. I guarantee they'll be cheaper and a good finisher can match any stain/glaze you choose. You could get a less expensive wood with the same stain, but if you love cherry grain (which I do) there's no substitute. If you have the time, you can source out all of the other kitchen materials yourself which will save $ and allow you to keep an eye on expenses.
  • 13 years ago
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    Knotty woods are much cheaper than clear. Knotty Alder is base line and everything is an addition. Maple can yellow quite a bit, Cherry will add 1/2 more. Try maybe a knotty cherry with clear finish or a knotty alder with a darker stain.
    Knotty Alder is a softer wood that won't take the beating of time very well. The downside to doing knotty is it will be a time period cliche and might date your kitchen, so you get what you pay for.
    Having a cabinet maker do bits and pieces makes your job much less desirable and a reputable cabinet maker probably wont even touch it because it's a scrap job. You might find someone who is doing cabinets out of their garage who is willing to take that on, the down side to that is reputable companies that don't underbid to get the job will be around if you have something break or something needs to be replaced.
    The pro side of going to a local cabinet maker is you are providing jobs to Americans that are craftsman in your area.. and not just box assemblers and people from who knows working in an assembly line.
    A cabinet maker would much rather do the whole job and will offer you a better price then just a scrap job of just doing cabinet fronts.
  • 13 years ago
    Thanks for all the input.

    We're not going with a cabinet maker; custom cabinets are simply not part of our budget. We have 3 kids, and my oldest is 14; every dollar we spend on extras is a dollar that isn't going towards college in 3 years. So I'm looking for a kitchen I can love and live with for the next 20 years, but one that won't take me that long to pay off :) We're working with a local contractor; he'll do the installation.

    I've done quite a bit of homework since I first posted, and have a better handle on what I want. I'll go with cinnamonny colored cabinets, and a light gold or yellow toned granite.

    Thanks once again for your input.
  • 13 years ago
    My cabinetmaker did our carcasses himself, ordered the doors and drawers from a large manufacturer, sent them to a finisher he works with, did all assembly and installation himself and came in 10K cheaper than the big box. The work was immaculate and totally professional.
  • 13 years ago
    We are all saying that a local cabinet maker will SAVE you money. As I said, kraftmade was considerably more than our local cabinet builder. Call a few different ones; some specialize in expensive cabinetry, some in inexpensive.

    Our kitchen from a big box store in Kraftmade was $13K; from a local maker was $9K, and had more options.
  • 13 years ago
    When deciding between sourcing cabinets from a large manufacturer vs. a local cabinet shop, give strong consideration to the type and quality of the finishes applied to the wood. The stain application, whether the color is appropriate for that wood, and the top coats are critical steps. Most "manufactured" cabinets, stock and custom, have a catalytic conversion varnish, which is quite durable. Local shops may not have the ability to provide this finish and use a lacquer topcoat---much less durable. The big outfits have done enough production that they know many of the trouble spots regarding wood and finish combinations.
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    I have beem in the design business for 30 years in three different cities - Cincinnati, Atlanta and Charlotte - and have to agree with the majority here. Local cabinet makers definitely save you money. In every area that I have lived and worked, there is a 25-30% savings going with custom cabinetry. And you don't have to use all those filler pieces. The local cabinet maker will make the cabinets to fit your kitchen. And, without a doubt, the quality is much better than what you can get from the big box stores.
  • 13 years ago
    OK, I just emailed 3 local cabinetmakers... we'll see how it goes. Thanks.
  • 13 years ago
    As far as Granite.... I went to Home depot and the company came out and gave me an estimate of 5200.00..... Then found out Costco sells granite as well... SAME company and SAME salesman came to my house and we laughed about it. The estimate from Costco... 2600.00... SAME granite... worth the 55.00 membership to save a couple of thousand dollars.
  • 13 years ago
    I agree with Zinnifer...HD or Lowes isn't the least expensive! That's the perception because they do have good prices on some things. What ever you choose make sure the cabinets are the style that goes all the way to the ceiling. Too many design dilemmas with cabinets that stop short.
  • 13 years ago
    Most reputable custom cabinet makers do us a cat varnish, the guys working out of their garages don't.
    People complain about economy and then put things on credit and find the cheapest way to "keep up with the Jones" Rather than save another month they try things that put their local businesses who do quality out of business..
    Doing odds and ends jobs will put a company out of business. The amount of time a sales person spends trying to figure out how to hack a job. Stopping large kitchens to push a few pieces of something that there is not profit in because someone saw a "design on a dime" lie. Then there job gets messed up and they come back to waste more time.
    If someone can't spend the extra $1000.00 to get it right the first time.. maybe it can wait to next year when you do have the money to do it right.. Support your local business and create jobs, not waste a cabinet makers time and resources.