can you post also how the master suite relates to the other rooms?

Btw your interior of the master closet is only 6'6" which doesn't give you enough room for hanging on both sides unless you don't mind a narrow walkway

Hope you can see this

I'm definitely open to suggestions, I'm not experienced enough to know how it's going to look built out

I'm guessing you for sure want the door to the deck coming into the bathroom instead of the bedroom?

Yes...wanted direct access to bathroom from the pool... but that's something to consider for sure!

would you consider flipping the bedroom with the bath and closet? Right now your closet and bath have the prime real estate with three outside walls. Plus right now you are sharing a wall with bedroom 5. The problem is no amount of soundproofing will keep someone in bedroom 5 from hearing noises from the master and visa versa.

I see other issues with overall design but I'm not at home to make suggestions.

Have you filed your plans yet and had them approved? Are you sure you can make changes at this late date?

The plan has been engineered but has not been permitted yet. I'm willing to spend the $$ to make sure it's done right.

Unfortunately I'm not home for another week. Please don't Rush the process.

I really like this.. best option so far! We wanted the keep the outside door under the covered patio, but the dysfunctional master configuration may be a deal breaker…

Beverly I would not want 3 separate doors from the master bedroom. Add in the door to the hall and that makes 4 doors. I especially wouldn't want it if him and her were on different sleep schedules

plus I wouldn't want to have to get around that vanity to get to the toilet in the middle of the night and I certainly wouldn't want to go into the toilet closet anytime I was coming in from the outdoors

im sorry but the OPs original plan is actually better

Definitely one of the challenges with your bathroom is that three of the walls have doors and most of the things in a bathroom need to be against a wall. So to that end, my initial suggestion would be something like below:

- remove the bathroom-closet door. This allows both long sides of the closet to be fully utilized (hers / his) and gains 3 feet + an uninterrupted wall in the bathroom. Also, widened the closet to 7' (b/c as cpartist also noticed, it wasn't really wide enough)

- I flipped the door to the patio and added a linen closet/hamper type thing by the door

- Made the door into the bathroom not double pocket doors (makes placement of light switches harder) (the pink circles are where light switches could go)

- the tub is also turned - if you're sitting in it, why not have the view out the window be your view (instead of a wall) - plus you could tile the wall to the left (the shower wall) to really add some wow

- There's ~4' of space between the vanity and the tub, and the vanity is longer (more storage!)

- I also added the bed furniture in the orientation that makes the most sense to me (then if you want a TV at the foot of the bed there's space for that + you could have a small seating area in the corner by the patio.

Obviously though, the hiccup in this plan is that there is no noise separation between the Master & bedroom 5. (nor between bed 5 & the bathroom nor the bathroom and bed 4). And, the 90º entry to the master may be tight for moving furniture in and out. And the laundry room is quite the distance from the majority of the bedrooms. And there's no front closet for guest jackets (don't know your climate though - maybe this isn't a problem?)

cpartist,........I don't think this is your call.

Also, here in Florida, there are doors from the backyard directly into the toilet rooms all the time.

We actually live on the Alabama coast.

Damiarain - we homeschool our children and I spend the majority of my day between the kitchen, schoolroom, and laundry. It made the most sense for me to put these in close proximity to each other. Noise has never been a concern for us, we live next a fire station so we are all used to sleeping with box fans and noise machines (we probably couldn’t sleep without them). We will have a mud room beside the garage with lockers for our cleats and bags but I agree about nowhere for guest coats... I guess we will use a coat tree by the front door but it really doesn’t get very cold here. The 90 deg entry into the master was actually very purposeful because I don’t like that in our current home there is a direct sight line from the living room into our bedroom. We host pool parties quite often and we don’t like people going through our
bedroom to the restroom... so having the exterior door into the bathroom is important to us. I would like the closet entrance to be in the bathroom but I can also see the benefits of moving the door to the bedroom. The doors were intended to be sliding barn doors not pocket doors.

Actually if the layout was reversed in damiarain’s suggestion, I could add the door to the closet back and have the exterior door enter through the toilet as Beverly suggested.

Thanks for the details :) I figured as much re: laundry

As Beverly mentioned - i have seen toilets accessible from the outside, but usuallly it’s been more like powder rooms vs stand alone toilets (yay for washing up!). Also, need to make sure there’s sufficient space for a person + two doors (esp if they both swing into the room) A thought: is it worth looking at adding a powder room nearer the pool for the pool traffic / guests? So that visitors don’t have to use either the kids’ bathroom or the bathroom by the playroom...

For the entry into the Master, I understand your point. But if that linen closet was relocated, you could have privacy provided by the hallway, still but straight(er) access.

The outside door into the toilet closet seems really cramped to me. Plus if it is intended to be for guests using the pool also, then they have to go into your whole bathroom to wash their hands after and probably a lot won’t if the sink isn’t right there, which is gross. (Especially kids get so caught up in having fun that they just want to rush right out again.) Plus it isn’t a lot of space for wrestling with a wet swimsuit.

I wonder if there’s some good way to arrange it so there’s basically a powder room (toilet and sink) inside the bathroom area, with an additional sink and shower and tub elsewhere? So for pool use you can actually just lock the door into the rest of the bathroom if you want and keep people out of your private space.

All that said, I think if you can afford it, putting in a powder room elsewhere probably makes more sense - then you can arrange the master suite space with fewer constraints. I’d probably still have a door to the pool area in that case, but I’d do it off the main bedroom and possibly use french doors or something similar that’s pretty as a window and functional as a door.

Is there a reason my post from last night was removed? The one where I explained how it is my right to comment both positive and negative if I see something I don't think works? When someone asks for help, shouldn't we point out the good and bad of not only the original idea, but also any ideas from other posters?

Jennifer do you have an issue with hurricanes living on the coast and if so shouldn't all your exterior doors open out?

You mention barn doors. Is that a look you love because it might be a trend. If you love the look, absolutely go with a barn door. If not, you might want to consider pocket doors instead

As for a coat closet, I'm in FL and it can get quite chilly. It would be a lot nicer to have a closet to hide those coats when not in use.

Regarding the bathroom, I personally would not be happy with guests mucking up my master bath. I'm wondering if there's a way to have one of the other baths closer to the backyard

Consider this concept that takes damiarain plan, flips it, and carves out a short hallway:

Damiarain's layout of the bathroom could remain the same, unflipped.

Or Jennifer's original bathroom layout could be used allowing the door from the bedroom to the hall to be located away from other doors in the hall.

Adding a powder room is a good idea... any suggestions on where to put it? We went with the outside door in the master because we couldn’t figure out a place to put a 1/2 bath. Plus, we were trying to save $$.

We also didn’t see a good way to add coat closets... because I would never turn down extra storage.

If you are "willing to spend more $$ to make sure it's done right", consider hiring a local architect to review your needs and site to come up with a solution.

would you consider flipping the bedroom with the bath and closet? Right
now your closet and bath have the prime real estate with three outside
walls.

This is a good idea.

It's a large space, but the items seem to be tossed in randomly. The two big things I think you must change:

- Consider the sight line as you enter the room ... it's the edge of the window /edge of the tub -- and the tub looks "cramped" since (from the doorway) the tub is pushed up to the wall /behind the sink. That one thing is making the whole room feel "off".

- You don't want pocket doors on a bathroom. Bathroom doors are opened /closed multiple times a day, and (even without humidity) pocket doors will break with this treatment.

What I'd do with this room:

- Widen the closet a bit and move the door to the bedroom. Why? That bit of extra width will make the closet comfortable instead of just workable ... and given that you already have two doors entering the bathroom, that third closet door is just too much.

- Move the tub so that it (and its window) are the focal point as you enter from the bedroom. I also moved the door a bit too. Now the tub has two windows. I changed it to a tub-in-deck because it seemed to fit the space better ... and you have a shelf at the end of the tub for plants, towels, candles, whatever.r

- The sink is the item that gets the most use in the bathroom. Now, whether you enter from the outside or the bedroom, it's the first thing you approach.

- The shower is now located on interior walls, so it's not preventing you from having more windows. It will be the focal point as you walk in from the outside, so you'll want to go with pretty tile.

- The toilet is still in a closet. I HATE toilets in closets (they're just generally impractical), but this plan doesn't seem to work without one, and at least this one has a window and is larger than the original one, so you have space to open/close the door.

- I think this feels more "balanced" than the original layout.

Is there space for two sinks?

I have to have my toilet in a closet...as a mom, I would never be able to go to the bathroom by myself.

Cp, your "wouldn't wants" are, well, what *you* wouldn't want. The op may not care about that. I actually have 3 doors across a bedroom wall (the middle one is inset) and I love the symmetry! Mrs Pete, I totally agree with the sight line. It could be beautiful to have it all lined up symmetrically. Jennifer, take the pro advice and go with what you love.

Can y’all see this? What do you think? I feel like it takes all of the good ideas mentioned here and checks off most of my boxes. Does it work? How would it look? I don’t have a program to put it in but I tried to measure and use the same scale. I feel like the toilet closet would need a pedestal sink to free up space but I didn’t know how to draw it to scale.

That could work. I still think though it's worth working to get at least a powder room that's for the pool. Personally, I wouldn't want to go into my awesome en suite bathroom at the end of a day and have it smell of chlorine or be all wet from a day of pool users (maybe I'm not giving the kids enough credit.... )

An unrelated-to-bathroom question - do you have a plan for venting your cooktop (it looks impressively large!!)

I agree with trying to figure out how to put a powder room just for the pool. Can you sketch your overall lot and where you anticipate the pool being relative to the house? Also, can the footprint of the house increase at all (like to add a pool bathroom to the end of the playroom somewhere?)

What I think is that there would be no way to sit on the toilet without having your knees squished up onto the vanity.

Does something like this make sense? I’m not sure if the dimensions are right...

Everything in life is a trade-off. There is rarely a perfect solution. Most ideas will have both pros and cons.

My two cents: I’d move the outside door from the master bathroom to the master bedroom. That would give you a larger toilet room and larger shower (both are needed IMO). And I can think of plenty of scenarios when I’d be in the master bedroom and want to go directly outside without having to walk into my bathroom first.

I’d also replace the double pocket doors with a single swing door and try to rearrange the pieces of the master bathroom so the swing door could open against a wall.

Is there space for two sinks?

I made that layout with Word and couldn't read the numbers well, so it's far from exact. You'd have to do the math. What I do know is that with one sink you'd have ample drawer storage, and with two you'd have near to none.

I have to have my toilet in a closet...as a mom, I would never be able to go to the bathroom by myself.

Respectfully, a toilet in a closet isn't something anyone "needs".

I think this layout has the same problem as the original: It isn't balanced. Your major players are all cramped together, while you have oodles of empty space in the middle.

Beyond that, you can't walk through the half bath, and you don't really want an outswing exterior door ... so that part doesn't work at all.

I still think though it's worth working to get at least a powder room that's for the pool.

A powder room for the pool ... attached to the master bath ... is a very good idea.

Everything in life is a trade-off. There is rarely a perfect solution. Most ideas will have both pros and cons.

Yes, and when you're determined to have things "just right", it's easy to lose sight of this.

Ditch the huge, oversized tub. Put in a much larger shower. You have a pool outside if you want to float. As an appraiser, I am seeing more and more houses that have been renovated and removed the huge soaking tub. Just make sure that there is a tub in another bathroom. This will free up needed space. My 2 cents.