It's unfortunate, but don't even try Apothecary Rose or Rosa Mundi. They both need a winter.

But I love your idea!

So, how about 'Old Blush'? That goes way, way back into Chinese history.

Oh, and 'Autumn Damask' -- The Romans knew this rose, and valued its ability to re-bloom in the Fall -- They refer to the "Twice-Blooming roses of Paestum," but I think many of them were imported to Rome from Egypt. The roses would be hung up by the ceiling, during a Roman banquet, and it was a tradition that things discussed "sub-rosa" (under the rose) would not be repeated elsewhere.

Then, of course, there's the "Cherokee Rose" -- R. laevigata -- once thought to be native to the U.S., it actually came from China/Viet Nam . . . but it is said that the Cherokee grew and treasured it, and carried it with them on the "Trail of Tears" . . . planting some of it where they buried those who died along the way.

Jeri, thank you for correcting me..it was Romans and I don't know why I said Crusaders. Yup, I was telling him about Damask rose actually.
Old Blush is excellent idea.
Here is a few pics I took. Unfortunately, the teacher who is in charge if garden is not aware how big this guys going to be. He got 2 plots but the school is huge. Winter Park High School .
I know I open my mouth but eh, I am willing to do this to teach young generations. This is going to be fun :)
one plot is near Administration Building
I am not sure how.much sun. I was too tired to check the soil........ going to pick my daughter up ...hold the thought...I will be back soon to continue
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I’m just getting started back up with my Green Thumbs Club at school, and we were just talking about planting some roses around our campus! think schools are great places to plant, since usually there’s plenty room, and the “landscaping” is so sad, most principals would be thrilled for some beautification. (Mine loves the added security of thorniness, too!) There’s almost always at least one or two teachers (if not a 4H or garden club) who could adopt them.

I think you guys should do our Florida Cracker Rose, and maybe Swamp Rose, too? It would be cool to track the roses through a timeline of some sorts. :-)

What is msld? Do you want all the Roses to have an historical Association or just be OGRs? I will look up the ones grown in the Port St Lucie Gardens as they are old garden roses and grown no spray I believe. Louis Philippe AKA cracker Rose and natchitoches sp? Rose, and also Maggie which goes by many other names.

okay, I back. I told him about a story in that line but was not sure where a meeting was held and when they see a rose means it was a secret and stays there. I was cracking my head who said that and in which era again it could be Romans, Knights or something but I just told that to my family but I better get my facts right. Well, I think not many people knows in the school that this roses needs space and they can grow really big. Anyways, this are the two lots they gave him.
One has a tree growing in the middle.
The other had veg's garden in it and flowers.
I think I need to get more facts next week and go from there.
I will go back over weekend to measure it and check the soil and send it for PH check.
Tomorrow is a big day for my son. All 4 wisdom teeth out so no school.
Thanks :)
jin

Jeri, my son loves all your choices and he ask me if I can type it up the story and frame it up so they can plank it there. ..sure why not :)
jin

Not an OGR, but one that is just as easy and forgiving is the Peggy Martin, or Katrina, rose. The history behind it might also be of interest to the students. By coincidence, I just suggested it on another thread.

Jin, you are a wonder! I applaud you.

And by all means, you can use any of what I said.

Jin, I applaud your marvelous idea to spread the love for gardening and roses among young people and also Perma for starting the gardening club at school.

Jeri is the expert and how marvelous are her choices and stories behind them!

I thought to suggest 'Champneys' Pink Cluster', the first noisette from the pioneering work in the American rose breeding.

Then there is a more modern rose but nonetheless wonderfully related to the history of the 20th century and that's Meilland's world famous 'Peace' rose. I think the amazing story of its creation in connection to the Second World War can be instructive to young people about the triumph of friendship and peace in face of adversity.

Whatever your choices in the end, I wish you and your son only the best in this inspiring endeavor.

Jin, I’m reading Thomas Christopher’s “In Search of Lost Roses” right now—-really interesting—-and it would be a great resource. He explains where and how we got the roses we know today, with lots of historical detail. :-)

Such a wonderful project! The cloning aspect will definitely draw interest from the kidS. How about one of the musk roses? Do they need winter chill?? Don’t forget Josephine and Napoleon at Malmaison - at least for historical reference and the timeline. There’s that great story of the wartime British navy allowing ships to pass unharmed carrying precious cargo for Josephine’s Garden and zoo. Please keep ppstingbpictures and updates!

Great idea Jin. What a wonderful project!

Well, my, my. I think this is a fabulous idea. I'm going to sketch out some considerations.

Living in Florida as you do you won't be able--I believe, check what Malcolm Manners has in his gardens--to grow the once-flowering roses of European origin, that is, Gallicas, Damasks, Albas, and Centifolias, those roses of the Middle Ages, the Wars of the Roses, and so on. (I have a question whether the Damasks might do.) I agree with most of the excellent suggestions offered above. I think you'll need to stick with the warm climate roses, those coming originally mostly from Asia and parts east, which have plenty of history of their own: Chinas, Teas, and the Noisettes, which are native southerners originating from a cross between the Musk rose and a China. The Musk rose itself might be a possibility. Also the original Bourbon rose. Also the Hybrid Damasks; these last two classes being crosses between European and warm climate roses with characteristics of both classes.

There's a lot of cultural history that could be brought up about roses: how they've traveled around the world, and the challenges of getting them from there to here; how old roses that fell out of fashion have been maintained in the gardens of the poor; passalong roses that ensure varieties continue to be grown even after they're no longer offered in nurseries; roses that are especially suited to particular conditions (Florida's conditions are highly particular) and are regional favorites; rose fashion changing over the centuries.

This is an opportunity for students to see what variety there is among roses, not only in bloom, but in habit, foliage, thorns, and so on. Could there be a possibility of an exhibit showing roses that can't be grown in Florida, to show the variety of garden roses and the importance of growing conditions (soil, chill hours, tenderness, and so on)? What a pity there's no room for massive climbers like the Lady Banks roses and 'Fortuniana', whose names are a history lesson in themselves.

I hope some of this is useful. Good luck to your son! Also I hope he recovers soon from his visit to the dentist.

Vap, I totally hate abbreviation. I meant SDLM as Souvenir de la Malmaison. Oops I always wanted to get that rose for myself and also a Damask rose. Flowers, I am not getting Climbers Bec I don't have the experience yet besides I am leaving that for the garden teacher. She can make those shots , school principal and IB director.
Jeri, I was in my rose society months ago and the talk was about. yellow flowers forgot the name which plays a huge roll in lots of roses. Queen Elizabeth is made from so many roses the data is unbelievable. I wish I had that chart. It is amazing how many roses are involved. What a beauty :)
Vestfl and Sheila, I totally thank you. I was shocked and surprised also. My son did painting in school hallway but was not credited Bec it has to be at least a month long. He volunteer to tutoring kids on maths and Bio. And also blood bank. He has many hours which are credited but not a project which was change this year. So most kids got 7 months to do this before graduating and Bec they are in IB program they get one month off early from any students.
I am spending this money and I hope the teachers and Administration will fall in love and look after. I will be involved but for a yr or 2 . I hope younger kids will get the interested.
The pic with a tree is where the main campus is at. All the plots in front ate filled up except the corner one.
Perma, you are awesome. I wish you all the best. I will check the book. Thanks and I know Green Thumbs Club will succeed very well under your care.
You are right, the school had soooo much space. It is unbelievable.
Melissa, that was my concern also. That's why I wanted old roses that will grow in condition that they actually fall under. They are tough little guys. I am looking at our weather. It is so hot and humid and rains a lot. Looking for disease resistant actually.
Maggie is one of my collections for sure. I have that rose and it is clean with no BS. I am also going to ask my rose society for further guidance. One of them has a cutting of Bermuda Anna Oliver which is over 8 ft tall.
I am writing an email this afternoon to Dr. Malcolm for suggestions and recommendations. It is no spray organic garden Bec I don't have that kind of funds. I am getting some on fortuniana like from Nelson's and drive to Rose Petals. I am trying to save shipping cost if possible.
I am worried about the young tree. It looks like a maple tree to me which means it is going to grow huge. I heard it is also on sprinklers system . So, I have work cut out for me . These kids have no clue but I am worried Bec I want this to grow well.
I can get horse manure from my co worker. Her neighbor has 8 horses. I need some for myself. But I need help in selection with stories and history behind which is great but not necessarily.
First ground work then ordering. I will take pics of kids involved working . Hope the roses stay there and blooms :)
Now, I have to get in touch with Malcolm Manners.
Thank you so much.
jin

Vestfl, Peace is a great rose with such a beautiful story behind. I can get that rose from Nelson's. I will look more into it. i will give selection to kids . They are under time and got until end of this year. Just worried about amendments.


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For school ground you’d need manageable landscaping roses. Old garden roses can be huge and look uneven if you plant them all together. School would pull them out after a couple years for sure. Here is the cold shower. :-) You need a landscaping designer for a commercial ground. Post your thoughts on landscaping forum, someone there should help you to have a successful school rose garden in FL.

Two that I don't think have been mentioned and that do very well in Houston are Mutabilis and Allister Stella Gray.

My neighbors have a couple of Mutabilis bushes that were under over three feet of water in Harvey last year (we received 30 inches of rain from Harvey in our area). They are looking very healthy right now. Although Mutabilis can grow large, it also does well with pruning to keep it smaller, which is how my neighbor grows it. My own Mutabilis grows in shade under a pine, elm and oak trees. It is healthy and blooms regularly, but not as much as it would if it was in more sun.

Last year I saw Allister Stella Gray on a list of other roses besides Peggy Martin that had survived flooding. I have seen this rose growing at the Antique Rose Emporium, where they keep it pruned as a shrub on the back side of one of their buildings. I purchased a plant last year, and I can say that it has been very healthy and a fast grower here, in an area where it only gets afternoon sun. My plant has flowered throughout the summer, and I find the flowers to be quite fragrant. HMFRoses says this rose " prefers dry climates", but I honestly don't know why . Certainly Houston could not be called a dry climate, and mine is very happy.

Dr. Malcolm answer me so quickly. Been busy running my head chopped off but he sure answer within mins of my email. Thank you doc for your suggestions. not in order but above is recommended to grow well .

Jin, what‘s your timeline on this? I‘d be happy to root you some roses to donate, if feasible. I have a number of the Chinas on Dr. Malcolm’s list. :-)

Jin, I am in Australia and can not help in any material way, but have thoughts on one of the plots, The roses which go there would sweeten the staff in the admin block if the roses that go there are fragrant, the staff might even give more plots for your ideas and well done Nik.

Perma if only if I can give a hug over internet, I will. Thank you. I don't mind spending the money just to see a smile on a kids faces. I have until end of December but I think it will be done sooner like next month. want to finish it early and done with it .
But, the kids are so impatience to receive a credit so I feel like I am on rush. School better not throw away the roses. it is my hard earn money and effort. The least they can do is give it away to kids and their families. I will be happy with that decision.
I am making it simple and also might throw in some fall seeds that I bought.
I think I have tons of choices. Just will check and see what is available at Rose Petals.
I am so tired today. I might crash early like I did last night. Beat up by the sun and heat.
jin

Dave that was my son who wanted that something in front and he got it. Yes, he wants the teachers to get involved. New students and parents also. Apparently, he has been listening to me talking to my husband. He did ask me questions within a year as if why the modern is more popular than old. What's the difference ? Young minds are very curious and how to bring them back before they really go extinct. I remembered showing him a rose and it was just drawings. it is gone and that when all this questions pop up. If teachers get involved sure better still and if they can extend rose garden into bigger garden.
I will take pics on Sunday. Show the lay out and measurements. I think it is great if more people get out of philosophy that is impossible to grow roses. Bring some colours , scent and smiles.
jin

Jin, I also wanted to say how fabulous I think this is! It looks like this was an area that the kids used anyway. I think summersrhythm has a great point that if the school and other parents are not involved they may not really understand it so that's wonderful you're doing that. Also I hope Val pipes in as she runs a landscaping company that uses roses, doesn't she? I haven't found the people on the Landscaping forum to be very appreciative of roses , but she has an excellent feeling for what works in Florida. This is so great! I also want to say that of those Roses I grow duchesse de brabandt, Maggie, Cecil Brunner, and pink pet. pink pet is the healthiest most floriferous prettiest rose I've grown this year. it's my number one new favorite. It also has sort of a spicy clove fragrance but very light. No black spot here so I would suggest it since it does well there too! Keep us informed!