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madame anisette conflicted

4 years ago

This roses is around 5 years old, large, healthy foliage, puts out tons of flowering stems. Then this is what the blooms look like… majority of the poor showing is due to thrips. The first flush was even worse, we are on the second flush now and it is greatly improved thanks to the minute pirate bugs I see coming in to target the thrips. It is still extremely disappointing to me.. would you shovel prune?

shovel prune
give it another chance..

Comments (16)

  • 4 years ago

    Will you be any less “extremely disappointed” (with MA) if most respondents vote to give it another chance? And would this result then influence your course of action?


    Has any modern rose before or since been more vigorously debated on these pages?


    https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/4391431/any-updates-on-madame-anisette#n=388

  • 4 years ago

    I agree with Lilyfinch...a singing heart is something special! :) :)

  • 4 years ago

    I grow mine for the smell which I adore, even though I have all the problems you do (although my thrips aren't quite so bad)

    Clearly you aren't enchanted though, so yes find a new rose!

    Carla in Sac

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Would you be willing to use a spray like spinosad to get rid of the thrips? `If not, and Mme A looks bad every year, I’d replace her with a variety the thrips don’t attack so much.


    Carla , does Mme A repeat well for you?

  • 4 years ago

    I’m going to do it now! Thank you all! I hate this rose lol.. I don’t even like the smell!!!

    Any recs on fragrant thrips resistant roses greatly appreciated

  • 4 years ago

    smilingspring Thank you a million for posting those honest pics. of Mme A. I cross it out from my wish-list. Princess Charlene de Monaco is the top 10 scents among my 150 fragrant own-root roses. Bolero is decent on thrips, same with Sonia Rykiel and James Galway. Below is PcDM and James Galway (need partial shade), but PcDM can take full-sun:


  • 4 years ago

    I find thrips don’t like the darker colors or thicker petals. `Some roses with those traits and great fragrance include Firefighter, Neptune, Neil Diamond, Fragrant Cloud.

  • 4 years ago
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    Get your shovel out and give the 'Madame,' what she deserves....good riddance to bad rubbish!

    Kordes, like any other of the rose breeding establishments has produced some exceptional roses. They have also introduced real, 'dogs...bow-wows.' I cannot tell you how many Kordes roses I have tried, and ended up giving the heave-ho. Yet, my Kordes Quicksilver has proven to be phenomenal. A cast iron, super charged blooming fool of a rose is just how I begin to describe it.

    Don't beat yourself up for doing the deed. It comes with rose gardening. Believe me, you will look back and increasingly feel good vibes in knowing that you did the right thing.

    Moses

  • 4 years ago

    I attempted the deed this morning but she is a beast. Feel better already though. This my first plant I’ve done this to :/

    Do you have thrips pressure Moses?

  • 4 years ago
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    smilingspring Looks like I voted too late.

    If you didn't like the perfume, I totally agree with giving Madame the axe.

    It's been about seven painstaking years that Madame Hardy and Autumn Damask have been horrible beyond description, attacked by trips and a chore to deal with. But I couldn't let them go.

    This year perfect healthy gorgeous roses and leaves- what happened ?

  • 4 years ago

    Hi Ben

    Sadly, no. I just view it as a spring bloomer. Occasionally maybe in fall, too.

    But then most of them don't repeat bloom when we're in the 100s, that's why my list of ones that do is so special!

    Carla in Sac

  • 4 years ago

    I shovel prune anything that bugs me, literally.

    I am old so I am not wasting time and energy on a dud when I can try something new.

    A couple of my thrip free roses are Sweet Mademoiselle , Fiji, Hot Cocoa, all reds and my purples.

    Now you have the fun of choosing a new rose. What fun is that!

    Hope that you can remove the beast without hurting your back.

  • 4 years ago

    Kristine, I opted for deelish over sweet Mademoiselle last season. But SW looks fantastic

    Hot cocoa has been on my wishlist for a bit, I’m moving away from the lighter colors and loving my reds more and more! Thank you!

  • 4 years ago
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    SmilingSpring,

    No fortunately, thrip pressure is very light here in my Pittsburgh, PA, garden, zone 6b, hot, relatively wet, and humid summers, to -5°F winter lowest average, with black spot the worst disease, and rose midge fly the worst insect, 2nd. come spider mites. That's not to say that a rose garden down the street from me will have the same set of issues as mine does. Every rose garden has its unique set of assets and liabilities.

    Divide and conquer. Take your time. Be mindful of the weather, no need to get heat exhaustion over, 'Her Madameship,' she's done enough damage to your mind and soul, don't let her get to your body.

    Moses

  • 3 years ago

    I just read somewhere on this forum that what we may not realize when we get a rose that isn't performing, is that it is probably a bad plant and if you take cuttings from it they are strong like the original. I think this makes so much sense after all these years of rose gardening and blaming myself, lol! I 'm wondering if this is the case here because those photos look nothing like Madame Anisette.