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Figuring out a small electrical problem

3 years ago

I've got an exterior twin spot light fixture that's gone dark and I'm not sure if it's the fixture itself or the electrical line leading to it. Everything is so old it could be anything, honestly. The fixture is dark activated, so I changed out the round sensor with a new one from HD and it still doesn't light up. Actually, the bulb in each side lights up just slightly, so I thought it was the sensor, but was wrong.

How do I test the wires leading into the fixture? I've got a multi-meter but could use some pointers on using it for this issue. FYI, there is no ground and the 2 Romex wires aren't guaranteed to be hooked up correctly and the right color.

Comments (21)

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Please call a electrician, to take care of the problem. Electrical problems are nothing to mess with, and can cause a fire, and lots of damage. Lots of things, can be diy, but electrical should always be done by someone that is well experienced.

  • 3 years ago

    I think you could safely do some trouble shooting before calling an electrician.

    1. It's likely that it's the fixture. Are you prepared to replace it, whatever the cost of a new one?

    2. You say the lights are dim. Have you tried turning off the breaker for that circuit?

    3.Do you have a non-contact tester?

    4. Can you reach the fixture from the ground or from a stable platform or ladder?


    If your answers to all of these are "yes", then, turn off the breaker, carefully remove the fixture (without touching its wires), and use the non-contact tester to check if ANY of the wires are hot. If none are hot, then remove the fixture, pull the wires out of the box, turn the breaker breaker, then using your multimeter and check the voltage of each wire, erelative to both the ground (green or bare) wire and the neutral (white) wire.

  • 3 years ago

    You need to see if its getting 120v from hot to ground and hot to neutral.


    You might not have wired up the new photocell correctly. Black is always line and red is always load.


    Note: is it/was it disk to dawn on all night or photocell/motion combo?


    I would have just bought a whole new fixture. they dont cost too much.


    If any of this sounds like too much for you, call an electrician.

  • 3 years ago

    @cat_ky: "Lots of things, can be diy, but electrical should always be done by someone that is well experienced."

    Nonsense. There are all sort of electrical repairs and installations one can do oneself. He isn't going to "cause a fire" fixing a light fixture.

  • 3 years ago

    It doesn't matter which line is hot. Just check from wire to wire. If it shows 120v, you have power. Those photocell/motion sensor lights are a constant annoyance to me, as they seem to last one day after their warranty period.

  • 3 years ago

    If you buy the $15 fixtures at HD, Yeah they all fail. the nicer RAB ones will last a long time.

  • 3 years ago

    Consider following dark sky guidelines to reduce outdoor light pollution and help you and your neighbors enjoy the night sky. Lighting should:

    • Only be on when needed
    • Only light the area that needs it
    • Be no brighter than necessary
    • Minimize blue light emissions
    • Eliminate upward-directed light
  • 3 years ago

    @Stax: "Helpful?"

    He has to replace an outdoor light. He can improve the outdoor environment for himself and his neighbors at the same time. So, yes.

  • 3 years ago

    if the light is on a photocell / motion sensor, i wouldnt worry too much about that. youre just going to end up with a barely usable light.


    I have a RAB wallpack on a photocell all night as i want the Airstream parked on the side not in the dark. i have a ground level spotlight pointed at a 30’ commercial flagpole on the other side. i wouldnt have wanted to instal those lights and go through the effort for useless output.

  • 3 years ago

    wdccruise

    Consider following dark sky guidelines to reduce outdoor light pollution and help you and your neighbors enjoy the night sky. Lighting should:

    • Only be on when needed

    • Only light the area that needs it

    • Be no brighter than necessary

    • Minimize blue light emissions

    • Eliminate upward-directed light

    • wdccruise for president, When I sit out at night I'm tempted to shoot out every glaring light in sight so I can enjoy the night sky.

  • 3 years ago

    @klem1: Uh-oh, shootout at midnight at the @Dave ranch (previous comment)!

  • 3 years ago

    @ wdccruise. I spect either me or Dave would require an attitude adjustment to live next door to one another.

  • 3 years ago

    I like my lights. i feel safer knowing my not so cheap Airstream isnt sitting in the dark.


    However, if you were my neighbor and had an issue with that, I’m sure we could figure out a solitution. I dont have any issues with neighbors and wouldnt want any.

  • 3 years ago

    I worked on a project that had a large parking lot out in the country. It was a little lower than the adjacent properties. We designed using dark sky compliant lighting on relatively low poles. It didn't really matter. All of that light reflected off of paving and (especially) snow and the place was lit up. It didn't help that everyone was concerned about security and kept them on all night.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    @Dave: "i feel safer knowing my not so cheap Airstream isnt sitting in the dark."

    It's hard to imagine lights more un-dark-sky-compatible than wallpacks that illuminate an unoccupied, shiny aluminum box whose surface reflects light in all directions all night, every night. You could at least substitute motion sensors for photocells which would keep the lights off 99+% of the time.

    @Seabornman: "We designed using dark sky compliant lighting..."

    "All of that light reflected off of paving and (especially) snow"

    • So the dark-sky rules, "Be no brighter than necessary" and "Eliminate upward-directed light" were violated.


    "everyone was concerned about security and kept them on all night"

    • So the dark sky rules, "Only be on when needed" and "Only light the area that needs it" were violated.
    • If high-Kelvin lights were installed, all five dark-sky rules were violated!
  • 3 years ago

    @wdccruise


    were getting a bit side tracked, but ill folow up.


    there is a motion light above the AS. The wall pack is at the AS roof height mostly to light up the hitch area. For safty, also for if im hitching or unhitching at night.


    At this point, my neighbors, who i speak with often, have no issue. so i dint intend to change anything.


    Wall pack is the only dusk till dawn light. other two are motion.





  • 3 years ago

    Jeez, that's horrible lighting, high-intensity, high-color-temp lights lluminating not only the trailer but the front yard AND the yard to the left. And the light unnecessarily reflecting off the side of the white house makes it even worse. I don't think you could have designed anything more awful.

  • 3 years ago

    @Dave: "The color temp is 5000k"

    • Minimize blue light emissions

    Dave says, "Nope."


    @Dave: "I didn’t design anything."

    Yup.

  • 3 years ago

    You have too much free time on your hands. Move to the middle of nowhere, use only candles for light. Enjoy.

  • 3 years ago

    Hello, I got to thinking about your lighting problem. What you described sounds like a simple wiring error. I believe you may have wired the fixtures in series, which would cause the problem you have.. You have two fixtures each with one black wire and one white wire. Put the two black wires together and the two white wires together. Think of tis as one fixture and connect it to the controls

    .Good Luck Woodbutcher