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Need help with a minor Kitchen Reno

12 years ago
Hi: We want to update our Kitchen by changing the counter top and back splash. We do not want to change the cupboards but do want to replace the hardware. Not sure if we should change the floor first or leave it as is. It is ceramic tile and runs through the dining room to the front hall. We also plan to purchase new stainless steel appliances to compliment the look we hope to achieve as well as a new sink and faucet. Any suggestions for the window treatment above the sink would be appreciated. The dining room is at the other end and has California Shutters in a similar wood tone. We have looked at granite and laminate and like both but there are so many patterns and colors we are not sure what to chose and then need to pick a back splash to compliment. Thanks for the help.

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  • 12 years ago
    The idea about painting the kitchen cabinets was suggested to me by a friend. I was un sure about that idea because I have french doors to the living room at the other end of the kitchen in the dining room in the same wood tones so I figured I had to leave the wood colors the same. Is it a special type of paint that is used to paint them or is it a stain. I am trying to imagine what it would look like. As for electric issues, I have a son living with me who is an electrician so that is not a problem to fix. Further comments appreciated about the paint issue but thanks for all the ideas.
  • 12 years ago
    You would use a high quality paint like Benjamin Moore Aura. A lot of cleaning and prep work is required and the paint job will look best if it is sprayed on. That's why you would probably want a pro to do it. The color should coordinate with the wood doors but you can always play it safe and choose some kind of white that would also look good with the tile floor.
    Painted cabinets would really brighten things up. Have fun!
    maccar88 thanked akakaka
  • 12 years ago
    We had my mom's kitchen cabinets painted by a company. Look up cabinet refacing on google for your area or on Angie's list if you are a member. The difference was amazing. I then did a valance for her, and my sister had already picked out new knobs.
    maccar88 thanked Judith Ellis
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    last modified: 12 years ago
    I agree if you were willing try painting the kitchen cabinets with an Aura paint, maybe Acadia white or White dove. If not definitely go lighter with granite and backsplash. Possible a clean bone subway tile, and maybe even a Quartz counter top like Sugarbush form Lowes it looks like marble but no fuss! THen new recessed lighting, some great chunky hardware. Remove valance, keep it simple. New ceiling light fixture centered in space maybe a flush mounted drum shade light. I think it you try to lighten up the space it will be updated immediately! Good luck!
  • 12 years ago
    Once again i appreciate all the ideas. I will definitely look into painting the cabinets. Thanks
  • PRO
    12 years ago
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    I would not remove the flooring if it's still in good shape or the pretty molding around the window. Take down your valance, leave the blinds and decide after the remodel if you really need anything more on the window. Granite and laminates are both great and will go a long way in updating your kitchen. Pick one that isn't too busy with a full tile backsplash, don't wrap the counter up the wall again unless it's your full backsplash. Remove the overhead fluorescent, add can lights and perhaps pendant over your island, new door hardware (brushed nickel) and for some fun consider painting your island (photo below). I wouldn't paint the rest of your cabinets if they're in good shape. Hope you enjoy all the choices you'll have - there's a lot out there to choose from!
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    maccar88 thanked Maguire
  • 12 years ago
    Thank you! I love the pictures and especially the one with the painted island. I would never have thought of that but I would like to try that in my kitchen. I am afraid to paint the cupboards the more I think about it especially as they are in good shape except the hardware but I think this island would work. Your suggestions are wonderful. Do you mind if I ask you have any idea what color the island is..beige, white and if I did that in my kitchen would I paint it a color picked up from the counter top choice or back splash or just lighten it up.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    I've used Anne Sloan Chalk (in Cream or Old Ochre?) paint with great results. I like it because it requires no prep work, no stripping or sanding, and is very forgiving, but I would also check at your local paint store for new products. I don't think it'll be hard to find a color that works with your other cabinets, counter tops and floors. You're lucky you have a nice space to work with and good bones in there already. Nice layout. I think you'll have fun doing your kitchen!
    maccar88 thanked Maguire
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    We would love to be here and help you throughout this process of remodeling your kitchen! Check us out and let us know how we can help you today!
    maccar88 thanked Cabinets To Go
  • 12 years ago
    Thanks for the help with the paint. I really like the idea of painting the island a lighter color and once I find the right counter top I am going to decide on the color for the island . I plan to overlap as well as I have stools to place around the island for extra seating. I hope once this is done that the back splash will be easy to pick. There are some great ideas on the Cabinets to Go Site and the pictures are very helpful to see the different options available.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
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    Brilliant. I was going to suggest an overhang then decided against it! I figured you would have if you could have done it! It will add so much to the space and look more substantial in the kitchen as yours looks just a tiny skosh little. I'm so excited for you. We Houzzers love this stuff so please post pictures as you take each step.
    maccar88 thanked Maguire
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    I would definitely suggest painting the cabinets white. We do that for clients frequently and they turn out beautiful and make the space feel brighter and bigger. I love Caeserstone Quartz for countertop options. Small CAN lighting adds a classy and big impact. Replace tile with rectangular tile. Extending the island is a great option. The island looks very lonely in that space, I might even consider removing it if you decide that extending it isn't an option.
    maccar88 thanked Wilco Bos: Design + Remodels
  • 12 years ago
    So we are going to change out the lighting since I agree that it would also help to up date the look of our kitchen. My question is how do you decide where to put the pot lights or recessed lighting. We have attic access over our kitchen from the garage so it is not difficult to do just want to make sure they are placed in a good spot and then we like the idea of a drop fixture over the island so that is not hard to fix just need to know how to do the others so it looks good when complete. Thanks for the help
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    Hi maccar88....................Aren't you lucky- a son who's an electrician AND open space above the kitchen! I have never known an electrician who didn't have definite ideas on how many and where light fixtures should go :) My advice -I would just make sure that they are about 18-24" from the walls because you want them to shine down on the counter top. Then try to space them evenly around the perimeter of the room. The trend now is to use a smaller fixture 4-5" rather than the old 6". Then if you drop a fixture about 3' above the island you will have updated your lighting nicely. Good luck!
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    I think I might go with a pendant over your sink and the pots in a rectangular pattern around the kitchen with two over the island for some nice task lighting. I'm sure your son will have an opinion having done kitchen lighting. Very exciting. It'll make a huge difference in updating your kitchen!
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    We would love to help you throughout this renovation process, it seems you have a solid plan on what you want to do. We would love to help to design and create your dream kitchen. Call us today!
  • 12 years ago
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    So I guess this "minor Kitchen Reno" has now expanded and it was suggested to me that we should consider changing the railings to a black rod iron. These railings are the barrier between our kitchen and the rec room which is visible from the kitchen and also in the stars to the Rec room.. Not sure about this so I would love to hear opinions or any other suggestions to consider. I guess the minor Reno has now expanded to other rooms Ha Ha. Thanks
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    They're beautiful! Why would that be suggested? Are they loose or in need of refinishing? Wrought iron comes and goes, your rails are classic.
    maccar88 thanked Maguire
  • 12 years ago
    I agree with Maguire. Rather than changing them out, paint them black if you want, that way you can always change them back again if you don't like them or change your mind in the future. Paint is a lot less expense!
    maccar88 thanked Judith Ellis
  • 12 years ago
    Thanks. I was reluctant to do that and I like the way they look. Appreciate your help
  • 12 years ago
    Yes, they do look warm and nice. Here's a lovely wall color that you may want to consider. Under cabinet lighting would really warm up the room. Don't paint them until you are sure because stripping paint off wood is an incredibly hard job and toxic.

    loo https://www.houzz.com/photos/edina-arts-and-crafts-traditional-kitchen-minneapolis-phvw-vp~420523
    maccar88 thanked Dar Eckert
  • 12 years ago
    Maccar88, remember that no matter what anyone here suggests you do, it is still your home and you want to love it. We chose a company, as I mentioned in a previous post, who not only redid the cabinets but put a new surface on the existing tile counter. What a difference it made in lightening up the kitchen! Even my mom who hates change loved the outcome. I knew that we needed the experts to do the job as I only had a small window of opportunity while she was out of town and I didn't need the extra work. It was also cost effective. The company I chose could have made the counters look like marble or granite if we had wanted. It was amazing.
    maccar88 thanked Judith Ellis
  • 12 years ago
    Yes you are right, we have to love it and live with it. I am just amazed at all the choices out there now. it does become very overwhelming when trying to do such a project. I really do appreciate all the comments and help from everyone. This is a great site and I have been given many options to choose from. Thanks again everyone for the comments.
  • 12 years ago
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    Hi: We have been looking at counter tops and have decided to go with a higher end Laminate by Formica (180 FX). We keep coming back to the 2 samples shown here -one is "Antique Mascarello" and the other is "Golden Mascarello" I am leaning more towards the Antique and I do like the way it looks with the cupboards but I wonder if they are going to be too dark and we should be looking at something lighter. I like them because they have specks of grey and black which I think will go nicely with the stainless steel appliances and with a lighter color on the wall as suggested by Dar. There are also lighter specks which I think is okay with my floor but these are small samples and I am worried how it will go with the floor once installed. Are we going in the wrong direction with these. Thanks !
  • 12 years ago
    Well, it will look nice with both the floor and cabinets. I'm thinking the one on the right because it seems to have less yellow. However, I do like the lighter toned granite that Madden, Slick... suggested. Is there any laminate more similar to that?
    maccar88 thanked Dar Eckert
  • 12 years ago
    I like the one on the right, too, and it will provide a good amount of change from what you currently have. With the correct lighting, I wouldn't be concerned that the counter is too dark. It will go really well with the floor and the cabinets. If you do select one of these, go with a plain backsplash- large glass tile would go perfectly, especially if the laminate has a border in back.
    maccar88 thanked brickln
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    They're both pretty. Agree with brickln that you wouldn't want the 4" backsplash in this material as in your current counter top. Do the entire backsplash in one material. Nice selection!
    maccar88 thanked Maguire
  • 12 years ago
    maccar88-I have just installed some of the 180fx counter and am very happy with my choice. try to go to the warehouse and look at your sheets before you buy. I bought 3 pcs of 5' x 12' which was more than enough. I was able to buy it myself and they rolled it up and put in my car. My contractor came and got it. they pulled out all my counters and re-laminated. First I went to see it all laid out and marked where I wanted the cuts made based on the pattern. the down side is that I wanted to change everything then and it becomes an ongoing project.
    Picking out backsplash was tough, but it is ordered now and ready to be installed soon. Good luck with your project.
    maccar88 thanked sunnydrew
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    Another option: keep the stained door, keep the stained railing and keep the island stained, so you have some of the wood flowing through all the spaces. THen paint the cabinets. You can even decide to do that after you put in the new top.

    Paint is wonderful - it can be ANY color. So select the things with limited choices first: countertop (I'm voting for the one on the right too!) and backsplash tile.

    The floor tile picks up the lighter color in the laminate; can't imagine any reason it wouldn't continue to work. So you would have flooring and accents of stained wood that would tie all the spaces together.

    How much reseach is your son willing to do re the light fixtures? I'm a big fan of the neutral white (Kelvin rating) LED fixtures. However, it would be best if he would look at the distance they light in their flood span (no matter which fixture you select) and use that to make sure the light fixtures are correctly spaced throughout the kitchen. The goal with field lighting is to create no shadows. Then add in a layer of task lighting with fixtures over the sink, island and undercabinet.

    Can he also drop a line down the wall to get you under cabinet lighting? These will balance the lights in the ceiling and keep the work surface from being in shadows.

    Can't wait to see the final kitchen!
    maccar88 thanked Catherine Belan
  • 12 years ago
    Thanks everyone. I am going to look and see if I can find a lighter one as suggested to see how it will look.,We also like the one on the right that contains less yellow We are on a tight budget and thus the reason for the laminate versus the granite. My son is looking into what lights we should use. My older brother is an electrician as well and has suggested insulated pot lights and he is going to oversee the project since he has years of experience and knows what works best. We are also going to do the LED under cabinet lighting since we are going to remove the existing back splash at same time as counter top and this will allow the wiring to be done before we replace it with new tiles. I like the ideas for the back splash and plan to look at samples once we have installed the counter top so we can see how it will all come together. I agree it is an ongoing project that will domino into other things and rooms that will need to be updated. I want to take my time and do it right so I will be happy with the ends result.Appreciate all the help .
  • 12 years ago
    So we have picked the counter top and now we are rethinking painting the cabinets white. There is so much wood in my house and I am starting to think I need to change some of it out. Can anyone give me an idea what painting Kitchen cabinets costs when it is done by a professional. Just want to have some idea where we are going with this before I call and get estimates. Thanks again for all the help and opinions.
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    This would be a great look with the darker cabinets and new hardware! We agree with sstarr- we'd leave the molding around the window and just paint it white. Also, if the floor is in good shape, you should be able to get away with leaving it down but then again if it really bothers you, don't be afraid to change it out (as long as your budget allows for it~kitchen remodels can be pretty pricey as I'm sure you know!)
    http://www.tilecircle.com/mother-of-pearl-collection/mop02.html
    maccar88 thanked Tile Circle
  • PRO
    12 years ago
    Another option is to stain your cabinets a darker color but white cabinets are also beautiful!
    maccar88 thanked Tile Circle
  • 12 years ago
    Yes we are thinking about painting them white now. Possibly leaving the island the way it is for a contrast. SO many choices. I want to replace the counter top and change the paint first and then decide about the cabinets. I have decided to paint the whole area including hallways and downstairs Rec room area "Kidd Glove"-Benjamin Moore-CSP 175. I had a friend who works with paint help me decide on the color and she also has suggested the white cabinets as well. It is a lighter, fresher green shade that will help to brighten up the area and will work with my floor and then I should be able to visualize the how I want the cabinets and I am also going to get a price from a professional who does this type of thing so I know what it will cost.
  • 12 years ago
    I'll have to check and see how much we paid.
    maccar88 thanked Judith Ellis
  • 12 years ago
    Thanks. I would appreciate that as I don't know anyone here that has done it so I want to have some idea when I get my quote from the PRO.
  • 12 years ago
    What area of the country are you in?
  • 12 years ago
    I live very close to the US border in the Niagara Region in Canada.
  • 12 years ago
    I had a friend who used to live on John St. in Niagara Falls, Ont.
  • 12 years ago
    Okay I know that street. Allot of nice older homes there. I live in the South end of Niagara Falls near Marineland. Are you in the area as well.
  • 12 years ago
    No, I'm in Florida! But I've been there several times visiting my friend.
  • 12 years ago
    Dark, dark kitchen. Can lights around the kitchen, then a couple of pendants over the island. Also, under cabinet lighting. Counter tops & backsplash should be light. You could do a new floor tile & use some dark granite accents on the floor & the backsplash. Also some new cabinet hardware. You could also replace several cabinet door with glass inserts & have the cabinet light up.

    If you want to spend some more money, you could have your cabinets refaced & get updated appliances.
    maccar88 thanked lucyhomedecor
  • 12 years ago
    You are right about the dark Kitchen. It has taken me a while to realize it and I am now thinking about painting the cabinets white. We are changing the appliances to stainless steel and the lighting you suggested as well. I am just waiting to get an estimate for the cabinet refinish and wanted to know if anyone has had this done and could give me an estimate of cost since we had not originally planned to do this. I would not want to paint them myself .
  • 12 years ago
    I still haven't had a chance to check my Mom's accounts to see what we paid, sorry, but if you "google" cabinet refacing/refinishing, places in your area should pop up. I'm sure they'd be happy to come give you a free estimate.
    maccar88 thanked Judith Ellis
  • 12 years ago
    Hi Maccar88 , we just renovated our kitchen which was similar to yours in lighting and cabinet color and style. I had considered a dark green granite but was having difficulty because our kitchen was on the darker side even with the windows we had. I chose a lighter granite and I have no regrets! We removed our box light and added recessed lighting. We added crown molding to our cabinets, new hardware. We removed our soffits too. I have a cream subway tile backsplash and stainless steel appliances too. We had stained trim which we painted a light cream color . I love my new kitchen, it is warm and inviting and I am so glad I didn't do the darker granite. I think dark granites are beautiful in the right space. Good luck and please post after photos.
    maccar88 thanked cpk52
  • 12 years ago
    Hi: Thanks for your advice. I actually just had an interior decorator come in and do a colour consult for my whole house and she recomended painting all the trim in my house in "Cloud White" a Benjamin Moore colour and she also wants me to paint my cabinets a light color as well. I am still not sure about that however I am going to paint my island a lighter color as suggested early on in this discussion and see how that looks and then go from there. I am going with the "antique Mascarella" counter top by Formica as it looks good with my cabinets the way they are and the lighter color I plan to paint my island. It is not as expensive as granite but will achieve the same look. She also recommended the light subway tile to me for my backsplash. I would like to add the crown molding to the top of my cupboards as well. Did you post pictures anywhere I would love to see them.
  • 12 years ago
    Hi: So here we are in April. This project small as it is has taken time since we are at the mercy of the contractors. I am quite happy with how it is turning out. Still have to finish ceiling and areas around the pot lights as well as back splash. Would like opinions on whether we should paint the spindles on the railing white. I have seen this in friends houses where they have the original wood on the ends and top but the spindles are white. I liked the effect in their homes just not sure about this space. I am also leaning toward a subway tile for the back splash and had a suggestion of a contrasting strip through the middle or near the top. Appreciate any suggestions.Thanks
  • 12 years ago
    Here is a another picture from a different angle. I also need to decide what to do with the window treatment as the wood blinds need to go. Thanks
  • 12 years ago
    Very nice- it sure looks brighter! I'd base the spindle decision on how well in goes with your decorating style for the den. Either way will look great in the kitchen.
  • 12 years ago
    That is what I was thinking and probably why I am hesitating. The fact that the kitchen over looks the rec Room has been a design dilemma for me ever since we bought this house.