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19 years ago

Well, first off I want to thank all of you who make this forum the best on the web! The time that you took to post to help newbies like me was so valuable. So, in return I want to share with others the success of this forum by posting this long work report!

I am done with my patio and specifically, the arbor (and for that matter my backyard BBQ area is going to have to wait till money starts to grow on trees!). The arbor cut the temperature in my backyard and most importantly in the house by 5-10 degrees.

Construction:

-Redwood S4S, heart grade

-6x6 posts, 2x8 cross, 2x6 on top and finally 2x2 top cover

-6x6 posts are secured in two ways  structural engineer designed a 2 2"diameter steel post embedded in the concrete, very carefully and plumbly (?) drilled 2 up into post, used OSI glue to post. In addition, drilled 2" hole in Simpson anchor, slipped it over the steel post then anchored into concrete. This thing is doesnÂt budge.

-Applied copper green to each end and up into drill hole of each wood post prior to install. Let it sit for a week for absorption and smell! Should be good for a long time.

-Tapered tops of 6x6 posts for drainage and looks where one can see.

-Hand carved end detail to make a single stencil then jig sawed the rest to the form of the design

-Routed the edges of the 6x6 to soften edge (two small kids running around)

-Simple base design out of 2x6 with top cover 2x5 (routed to soften the edges) Â easy disassembly for the future to check for bugs, decay.

T-ook 4 weekends to build  screwed all where possible, no nails and used galvanized bolts for header beams. Had major help from carpenter friend.

Staining: (hereÂs the good part)

- Waited about 6 weeks for wood to dry. Wiped dust, etc off day before spraying.

- As pressurepros suggested, used Wagner HVLP ($60ish @home depot) to apply TWP 500 (California Redwood color).

Sprayer performed surprisingly well. No clogging. The TWP appears to be well suited for sprayers like this as the viscosity is perfect. Placed rate of spray on "medium" knob setting (between lowest point and highest point). Sprayer got into those nooks and crannies that were impossible by hand.

-Spent almost 4 hours prep prior day  covered every inch of patio, house and much of back yard in light duty plastic. Used lots of tape to secure. Even onto roof. Used more heavy mil plastic on areas where I was going to be using the ladder in case of tears. Would have used this plastic all around, as itÂs easier to work with then the paper-thin type.

-Spent 4-5 hours next day spraying  was blessed with a 64 degree foggy and windless morning until noon! Then temp rose to around 80 with a bit more wind (gusts to 5mph). Got done just in time. Could tell it wasnÂt applying as nicely as it heated up. Day ended to be around 87 degrees, but I was done by then. Stain behaved well even at this temp.

-Before I sprayed  checked and rechecked my prep work.

-Put some classic rock on and was ready to go!

-Overspray was not too bad! In fact over spray likely covered the top pieces where I canÂt get to.

Just did small sections at a time. Immediately back rolled drips and overspray once an area was completed. DidnÂt work too fast, developed a system of spray container replenishment, and kept things clean using only two shop towels. Actually used less material than I thought. About a gallon and 3/4.

-1st coat absorbed very nicely and did a second "wet on wet" coat which absorbed even better. Again, in spots where it was done absorbing, back rolled or wiped excess.

-Hand rolled and then back brushed the posts and bases, again wet on wet. Also hand brushed the ends of each exposed end. Really absorbed in those areas. Careful with drips. Also, careful the oil based stain on plastic is slippery!

Clean-up and appearance:

-Clean-up was a breeze because I really prepped for it.

-Only had two small drips on patio and one small drip on stone work. Rubbed those out to where they are hardly noticeable.

-I hate to say it, but ended up discarding the sprayer. Time and effort to clean with thinner was too much. Would have taken another hour to clean this thing. Will be taking it to the next haz mat disposal day.

-Did two final passes with rag and back roller. Sheen areas wiped down to "semi-matte" finish.

-Placed towels in bucket of water for later disposal.

-Color turned out very nice  now 4 weeks later, not orange which I was worried about. Some areas darker than others, but because of the grain of the wood. Looks nice that way though. Gave it a slightly rustic look in some areas. Pictures donÂt show it well, but it has a nice tone  sort of a sienna color look to the wood.

-No rain as of yet in California, so sprinkled some water on. Beaded nicely with no absorption even on horizontal surfaces.

-Best of all? Very little smell. Lasted about a day. No oily residue or tackiness either.

Hope it stays this way. Wife is happy, so IÂm happy! Explained to her that this is an ongoing project over the years to maintain the newer look to the structure. Since this came out nicely, I think IÂll be granted the time to for maintenance!

Hopefully these pics work!

Thanks all!

http://community.webshots.com/album/560583724lXdBtM

Comments (10)

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    That is a killer arbor. Nice job!

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Remarkable! 4 weeks, what did you do in your spare time? I know you will enjoy it for years.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Spare time? Do DIYers have any spare time :)
    Seriously, the spare time I had was used to think, analyze, draw etc in mind my mind about this arbor! I think I was obsessing over it!

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Was kidding about the "spare time". What you built is remarkable and in 4 weeks even more so. Relax and enjoy it now that you're finished.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Gambler Guy you done good!!!

    With my work I really dont get to look back,other than the rear view side glass driving away in the truck,at what we did. Seeing you get that project done in a Proud way is a good thing. John

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    So far, TWP California Redwood color is holding up well, as well as the construction of the structure. During our first major rain here in No. Cal, I noticed that the stain created some drip marks on the concrete patio. After a few weeks thought, most of the marks went away. They looked more like shadows and were in the pattern of the main support beams. Basically, they looked like a cleaned up oil stain on a driveway. This leads me to believe that I did not do as good of job in wiping down the excess on the whole structure. Would I change the way I applied the stain? Probably not, as the TWP is very thin and brushing would have been quite challenging.
    Recently, have had a more powerful storm here with lots of rain though CA could use a lot more! Slightly more drip marks, but definitively not as many as before. Will power wash with light detergent in spring. Probably will do a light acid wash as well then do a sealer for once since I did not have time to do it last year.

    Checked the integrity of the stain on both vertical and horizontal surfaces for color fastness, protection, wood aging, etc. and absolutely no problems at all! Still looks great after 5 months.
    Thats it for now. And still waiting for money to sprout from our trees to start on to the BBQ area next!

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Life is good, Go Get Em!!! J.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    One+ year later update!

    Ok, so here's the scoop on TWP and the arbor that I used/built - still holding up pretty well. Color has faded a bit, but I can't tell if it is the wood changing color or the light stain fading.

    Regardless, still looks nice. Though now, I am starting to see, what I call "pollution" streaks from the very top of the (the flat part exposed to sky) of the 2x2's covering the whole structure. it's probably the tanins that are leeching out and "dripping" down on the upper struts of the arbor. But, in a way, it's not too bad - in fact it's lending a slightly weathered look. Will need to keep an eye on this though.

    Anyway, the stain is still beading though which is great. in fact when it rains the wood takes on a darker hue.

    Wood is holding up just fantastic. no splits, minimal shrinkage around base of posts, and smooth as my 4 yo's butt! Sorry about that! he's running around here nekkid! Routed sides of posts have saved many split heads on our kids...plust the base of the posts have helped them not to run near them. though they love to stand on the bases. Installed lights up in cavities of the trellis and have crated a really cool effect onto concrete and wood accenting.

    I'll post some pics. Oh and money grew on some of my trees so I get to start my outdoor kitchen! Whoo Hoo! Will have matching arbor over top of that too!

    just wanted to give you all an update. I see some many forums and the threads just seem to stop with no updates...

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    May I have a cutting off your money tree, pretty please?

    Your arbor is awesome! Does the roofline of the house form a porch over those French doors, and if not, do you have anything solid on the arbor there to protect from rain? We are thinking of doing something similar & I am bookmarking this thread so dh can see your pics.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Marti8
    So, the roofline is only the "standard" as I would guess to call it. Just a normal roofline. I don't have a cover on it extending any kind of protection on the doors. But, in 5 years now, we have not had any problems that is with rain hitting the doors and leaking into the house. They are anderson doors (over priced, but we have had great success with them). We do get sideways rain here in Nor. Cal, but again nothing that would cause any problems.

    i think with a cover on it, it might take away from the continuity of the lats on the very top.

    If you want some more pictures of what you are asking, I would be happy to take some. No prob at all.

    and sorry, I just picked the last dollar last weekend. Got it before the squirrels.