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So many Brand Names for Chef Style Ranges??

2 years ago

I am in the market for new range due to a kitchen remodel. Can someone please explain to me why there are DOZENS of chef style range manufacturers out there whose products look exactly the same as the other 20 brands? Are they all the same, manufactured in the same (Chinese) factory but sold to different wholesale appliance companies or stores under different brand names so they are exclusive to these sellers??
To name a few...
Hallman, Ilve, Forno, Bertazonni, AGA, Thor, Zline, Kucht, NXR, Cosmo,Empava, Akicon, Hestan, Smeg,...the list goes on. And on. And on
Bluestar claims its made in US but are they making other brand names as well?
Same with Hallman, making Ilve and Forno?
This is all totally confusing for me to choose the RIGHT "brand". Can somebody in the industry or with experience please explain this to me so that I can make an educated decision?
Thanks for your time and input!

Comments (21)

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    To add to your educational endeavor, here's a Bosch 'industrial' induction range.


    Linda M thanked dan1888
  • 2 years ago

    I can help with a little info. My Hallman was made in Italy, same factory that makes Ilve (and I love it so much). A very simple dual fuel range, so if you are a techy type this model isn't the range for you. When I was doing research, NXR and ZLINE seemed to have a lot of problems 4 years ago...maybe better now but it steered me away. Search this site, plenty of opinions :)

    Linda M thanked lucky998877
  • 2 years ago

    dan1888 Right! and at least I'm familiar with BOSCH!!!! and wolf, thermador, viking, gm monogram...etc....the regulars!

  • 2 years ago

    Thank you lucky998877! That takes 2 off of my list! Yes, I've read about the Hallman/Ilve being made by the same factory. Which do you have?

  • 2 years ago

    The only other brand that Bluestar makes is Garland actual commercial rangea. Like Julia Child’s in the Smithsonian. Blustar is as close to a real restaurant range as you can have in a home. Just with insulation and safety features. No real electronics, just good old fashioned high powered gas burners, all made in Pennsylvania.

    Linda M thanked HU-131248914
  • PRO
    2 years ago

    I have a bertazzoni and it is made in Italy

    Linda M thanked Patricia Colwell Consulting
  • 2 years ago

    Before taking the plunge on any of these, call around some local repair companies to find out 1) do the service that brand and 2) how many service calls do they get on that brand (i.e. do they have issues). When I did this I got some feedback on Thor and Zline that's dear to me in another direction. I'm sorry I don't remember specifics. Even if you get a warranty this is very helpful to know for when it expires.

  • 2 years ago

    Thank you Iluvdark kychns, thats a great idea!

  • 2 years ago

    At least some of the Pro style Bosch ranges sold under the Bosch brand such as the one that dan1888 showed a nice picture of are actually made by SMEG in Italy.

    Linda M thanked HU-16168550092
  • 2 years ago

    Five Star ranges are made in Tennessee.


    In buying any appliance, make sure it has the features you want. Most professional ranges are not self cleaning, for example.


    Verify your gas line can supply the BTUs needed.

    Linda M thanked latifolia
  • PRO
    2 years ago

    I run a catering biz from my home so my range was big deal to get right I have the all gas Bert with a wok burner and a simmer burner in the 6 burner 36" size it has been awesome for 16 yrs not one service call but I did check about that when I bought it since that is a big issue for me. I also have KA all electric wall ovens that have also lasted this long and I still love them but apparently KA is not having issues maybe the need for cheap out plays the need for long lasting .

    Linda M thanked Patricia Colwell Consulting
  • 2 years ago

    I have a Bluestar RNB. I had a RCS at a prior location. I love the range. Simple and powerful. Nothing really to break. On the old RCS I had an issue with oven control being sloppy. This looks to be resolved in my new model. My complaint on the new model is there are large gaps between the cast iron cook grates up to 7/16 of an inch. Bluestar support says that is within tolerances but I feel for $6K they should do a better job.

    Linda M thanked Michael Higgins
  • 2 years ago

    A big thank you to you, jwvideo, for sharing your plethora of knowledge and information with me! I've learned so much and will now review all of the pertinent threads that you shared. And like you said, after narrowing it down I will definitely search the exact brands through the threads here in Houzz. You've been a Godsend. Thanks so much for taking the time to share all that you know!

  • 2 years ago

    I’m finally in our new home and I’ve been using my new blue star for about 6 weeks now. I’m loving it! My reasons for choosing it are because I can use a wok nicely indoors (I do a lot of high heat cooking), it’s easy to take apart to clean (for a gas range), I could get it made for use with propane (I don’t have the option of natural gas where I live now) without losing btu’s, and it’s not smart so we could work on it ourselves if needed. I almost went with induction for the ease of cleaning and high heat capability, however, I live in an area that is somewhat remote (we can be cut off from main roads in the winter) and we lose power on a fairly regular basis. I didn’t want to use our generator to cook food. Plus, I tested all of my cookware to see if it would work with induction and most of my favorite cookware didn’t pass the test and I’m too old to want to change up my cookware and habits. LOL! I have a 36” RNB with a 42” 1,200 cfm hood and makeup air that comes on whenever the fan is turned on. We didn’t need heated MUA because we live right on the PNW coast and it rarely freezes at all (we only get cut off when we can’t go over the surrounding mountain passes or if the flooding gets too bad.) Going with induction instead of gas was very tempting, but those are the reasons I didn’t. I read Houzz a lot in forming my decision. Over the years I’ve also had a lot of kitchen aid and some Viking as well. I liked them both (I like KA a lot, and had pretty good experience with Viking surprisingly, even though it’s vilified a lot on this forum) but Blue Star ticked a lot more of the boxes for me. (I actually preferred the infrared broiler on my Viking over the one on my Bluestar, but my oven and broiler was of much less importance to me than the range burners. I’m still getting used to the oven on my bluestar.)

  • 2 years ago

    Thank you so much for taking the time, skmom. I too was considering induction if i needed to put the cooktop on my island, but since i wont have to I'm going to stick with gas since its already in the house. My daughter bought an induction cooktop for her island. Its beautiful, heats up quickly but was a bit of a pain for me to use, and I also know she's on her second round of pots! So it's definitely gas for me, too :) I was looking at the Bluestar, as well. Did you buy it directly through them? I'm so glad to hear you like it so far. Hope you get many years of enjoyment out of it.

  • 2 years ago

    Linda, we ended up buying ours through an appliance store in one of the big cities in our area. We actually bought all of our new appliances through them, but it wasn’t one of those appliance package deals. We have had a repair guy come out for quite a few of our appliances already... the store sends the same guy every time and we feel like he’s a friend already. Sigh. Actually, we started trying to build our house in the midst of Covid, and with all of the delays going on we made sure to order things WELL in advance because we didn’t want silly things like appliances holding us up from moving in. Lucky for us, the appliance store agreed to store our appliances in their warehouse while the house was being built. Unfortunately, our build still took way longer than expected, so our appliances were held there for a very long time. They honored their word and didn’t charge us for holding stuff, some of it for about a year. (The bluestar took the longest to get to them, because they still ordered it directly from bluestar) Anyways, a bunch of our stuff arrived to us damaged... we assume from being shifted around in the warehouse. Our bluestar had a crumpled side panel, our kitchen aid fridge had a faulty damper, our KA dishwasher had a bad part, our Samsung dryer had a crumpled front panel, our Frigidaire upright freezer had a faulty door seal... sigh. The store has fixed everything just fine (still waiting on the freezer door seal) but DANG! (Oh, our range hood also initially came missing the chimney and one of the blowers. Ahhhhhh! LOL!) Anyways, long story to illustrate that while the whole process has been a huge hassle, at least the appliance store services our area and has warrantied our stuff even though it wasn’t delivered until a year+ later than the purchase date. (I mean, the problems were on them... but at least they fixed them.)

    Linda M thanked skmom
  • 2 years ago

    OMG, skmom..what absolute craziness! So glad they stepped up and did the right thing! Glad to hear you are finally settled in your new home and kitchen :) I ended up going to a big a appliance showroom today, They have a great reputation so we will probably end up buying from them. Same thing, they stand by everything they sell, which means a lot!

  • 2 years ago

    JW video

    All I can say is you are a world of information. I'm not in the market at this time but honestly what amazing help you are for people who are looking for help/information. It is crazy how things have evolved with who owns and manufactures what. Life used to be so simple.

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Just checked back and saw latifolia's suggestion of Five Star ranges. They are indeed made in Tennessee. For further research, the longest and most detailed discussion of them here is this thread (largely postive and still getting comments a month or so ago): https://www.houzz.com/discussions/4379186/5-star-range-review#n=123 

    Another recent thread: https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6309509/recent-review-of-five-star-range#n=8

    Some history of the brand and other links: https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5315672/fivestar-48-gas-range#comments

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    One more addition to the tome written above about who makes what and where. I forgot to mention that the very expensive Hestan ranges are assembled/made in a company facility in Southern California.