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Need layout help & design advice for bath remodel!!

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Renovating a 2000-era small, square-ish primary bath (~9.5'x~8.25'). Will keep newer existing vanity, but removing existing jacuzzi tub and shower. Replacing with larger shower, no tub. Probably relocating toilet to opposite wall beside vanity. Would like to create storage, either built-in cabinet or shelves or combination. Thinking of adding a wall at one end of the shower so that only one side is glass & as a divider from the storage space. But ceilings are 9'3" and wondering if a full height wall would break up the space & make it seem even smaller/choppier. I'm not a big fan of "pony" walls...I'm trying to avoid having to clean all that glass after every shower! Could also use ideas for mirrors & wall lighting with that height ceiling (I've only had 8' ceilings before). Thanks for any ideas/advice!







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  • PRO
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    Is this bath on 1st or 2nd floor and is that a basement or crawl space to allow the toilet to be moved?

    IMO you're spending way more money than you need to in order to get a fresh look. It costs $$$$ to move a waste pipe and venting when you move a toilet.







    Here's another option for your bathroom,.......a larger vanity to more easily accommodate two people.







    pmslaw1 thanked BeverlyFLADeziner
  • last month

    Thank you for ideas & photosis! I‘m above grade with crawlspace & contractor said +$2500 to move toilet & I’m ok with that. Not quite enough room to put shower beside vanity

  • PRO
    last month

    Your tub space currently is deeper than your existing shower, so how can you say there isn't enough room for a shower?


    Both of my plans provide you with more storage than your plan shows.


    You could take that $2,500 and boost your finishes and accessories.

    pmslaw1 thanked BeverlyFLADeziner
  • last month

    I meant widthwise…that was actually my first choice but my Contractor said there’s not enough room, so the shower could only be something like 30 inches wide

  • last month

    I definitely like your storage ideas but i dont want to have to replace the existing vanity ($$) & buy 2 new ones

  • PRO
    last month

    This seems more logical to me and the plumbing would cost less. Narrow deep closets are not very useful.

    pmslaw1 thanked HALLETT & Co.
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    @HALLETT & Co.Thank you. i had been considering storage where you have the closet. This plan is def more economical, though I'm afraid that having 3 walls in that space (closet, wall w/door to WC & wall at end of shower) would make the space seem even smaller?

  • last month

    @Karenseb thank you! Your daughter’s plan sounds very workable for my space. Do you know how high her ceilings are? Do you think a full height wall btw the shower & toilet would be too much? did she consider shielding the toilet with a partial wall?

  • PRO
    last month

    What exactly was the goal for remodeling the bathroom? I don't think that has been stated.

  • last month

    It's very dated and needs lighter colors, esp since no window. The shower is cramped and poorly done & I don't want a tub. I'm starting to think that I may have to follow your advice and get a bigger vanity & maybe a standalone cabinet beside it. I was trying to save the existing vanity. Thx for your thoughts...

  • last month

    I know some people like a pony wall to help conceal the toilet while in the shower. She wanted a built in bench and did not want a pony wall. I would probably do a pony wall 36 to 45 inches high. She also put 2 hooks on the wall to the left of the shower for towels. The glass door swings in and out and the towels have not been hit by the door. As a precaution, she found some clear plastic feet that cover the hook that sticks out.

    Her ceilings are 8 feet.

    In her other bathroom, she did a vanity with two sinks, a pull out hamper in the middle and 13 3/4 inch wide drawers on both ends. Her wall was 99 inches wide. Lots of storage compared to a 72 inch stand alone vanity.


    pmslaw1 thanked Karenseb
  • PRO
    last month

    I look at a lot of these posts, and I have to say yours is one of the best in terms of plans and photos posted. Others should take a lesson, congrats.


    As for advice, if you're happy with the existing vanity, then your suggested layout is probably fine. But a more functional arrangement would be to put the toilet next to the shower (which would minimize plumbing changes there), and extend the vanity to a built-in shelf/storage unit in the upper left corner.

    pmslaw1 thanked RappArchitecture
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    @RappArchitecture Thanks! I'm leaning that way, much as @Karenseb also suggested, other than not wanting to have the toilet that exposed. What do you think about a full height (as opposed to pony) wall at the end of the shower separating it from the toilet? Or what if I moved the toilet to the other side of the shower with a wall between? I've worried that a wall would break up the space further. And I'm afraid my decisions are being driven by my intense desire NOT to have 2 walls of shower glass to clean!

    ps I looked at your projects in Boston area suburbs...I have family in Marblehead & Cape Cod & would love to live up there. LOVE your work!

  • PRO
    last month

    Thanks for the compliments. We raised our family in Lexington, but I live in Colorado now and don't practice anymore.


    I wouldn't do a pony wall OR a full-height wall. Make the wall the same height as the glass, maybe 6'-6" or 6'-8". This will allow for good air circulation and create a clean horizontal line at the shower.

  • last month

    Ahhhhhh....had never even thought of that! thank you! Love Colorado too. My Swampscott/Boston born nephew just moved out there


  • last month

    I like Hallett’s layout - but instead of a closet I’d extend the vanity all the way down and get lots of elbow room and storage

    pmslaw1 thanked thinkdesignlive
  • last month

    The cost savings of the toilet not moving can be applied to that.

  • last month

    @thinkdesignlive Thx for your comments. I considered

    that plan, too, except I think it would be very awkward to have an interior wall between the shower & WC and another door/wall into the WC, immediately to the right of the pocket entry door. I'm considering that plan with a pony wall (instead of full height) between the shower & toilet without creating a WC (similar to Karenseb's photo), even though I wanted to avoid 2 walls of shower glass & an exposed toilet! it's def a problem layout

  • last month

    The pocket door to the bath will likely stay open so another plus for @HALLETT & Co. design is you won’t be looking straight onto a shower filled with plastic bottles or a counter with soap dispensers etc

  • last month

    @la_la Girl my proposed design didn't look straight on to a shower? Hallett's is in the same location, but he adds a wall & door in front of the toilet which is the first thing you'll see. If I leave it where it is, I think I will do a pony wall & no door like Karenseb's photo.

  • last month

    Most cost effective would leave toilet where it is. Remove short wall only if you really find it necessary. A little privacy is nice. Update shower to whatever you prefer but in same location. Remove tub as planned and put a tall cabinet to the new open area to the right of the vanity, or you can make it a longer double vanity.

    pmslaw1 thanked Nova
  • last month

    @Nova Yes, that's definitely the most cost effective...how would you end the new, longer shower? Glass wall, pony wall w/glass above, or a full height wall? I'm still looking for ways to avoid 2 walls of glass! Thank you

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    I would go with either a full-height wall for privacy or a pony wall w/ glass above for more light. Depends on what you prefer.

    My preference is having a hook near the door/opening to hang my towel so I only have to reach out to grab it and dry off inside the warm shower. Having either wall (not glass like preferred) will give that option. Then I hang my bath towels on a bar elsewhere when not showering. I wonder what people do in a full glass surround to reach their towels.

    pmslaw1 thanked Nova
  • last month

    @Nova I agree! I do the same with towels. I've wanted a full height wall but was worried it would chop up the already small space, esp since ceilings are 9.5' high. But I've found some photos that make me more comfortable with that choice. Thanks!

  • PRO
    29 days ago

    As I said 7 days ago, a full-height wall will chop up the space visually and make an uncomfortable toilet area. And a pony wall with glass above means more glass to clean. Make the wall the same height as the shower door and glass. This will create a clean horizontal line around the shower and allow for optimum ventilation at both the toilet and the shower.

    pmslaw1 thanked RappArchitecture
  • 26 days ago

    I agree with getting rid of the outdated brown 1980's tile. I do not think it is a good idea to remove the bathtub - you, or a future owner will regret that. There are times when baths feel great and best to be able to bathe in your MBR rather than the main bath or another bath in the house. I think you should do minimal changes to the layout - leave the wall around the toilet (very European) and maybe enlarge the area and add a door. Change out the tub - use a high quality cast iron as composite tubs are so cheap looking. I have never been a fan of clear glass shower walls as I think even family members/spouses should be able to shower in a more private area - use glass block or glass you cannot see thru or add a wall and tile. Still with neutral colors - white marble is a good choice, and pastel paint or wall paper and pastel towels and decor to add color. Or even a narrow strip of color in the tile around the top tile. Copy timeless designs from the 1940's-1960's - even turquoise or pink or yellow or green or blue 3x3 tile - it is truly timeless and will never be out of style.

  • 26 days ago

    Hallett & Co has the best, most functional layout of all, and their suggestion for the height of the new shower wall is spot on! It also is the most cost effective as far as plumbing expenses.

  • 26 days ago

    @RappArchitecture i appreciate your help! I’m having trouble visualizing how to tile the shower. With the new shower wall the same height as glass door, would I stop the tile on the opposite shower walls at the same height? or have those walls tiled to ceiling? thx again

  • 26 days ago

    @mmaloneconsulting I dont think Hallett made a suggestion for height of new shower wall? They created a WC with a new wall with door, but the shower wall was in my proposed design, with the question of whether it should be full height. Thats been my main issue

  • 26 days ago

    I like the idea of NOT moving the toilet bc of $$. I would remove the tub and place storage cabinet next to current vanity. Current shower removed and updated as stated. Removal of the pony wall. All similar to Hallett's post. If you make that wall in front of the toilet a tiled actual wall, then you eliminate the glass on one side and you could put a ledge or niche in for products. You could do it full height (probably easiest) or 3/4ish and make a ledge on the toilet side for some decor area. Best wishes!

    pmslaw1 thanked hollywaterfall
  • 25 days ago

    @hollywaterfall Thanks for yiur comments! so youre saying leave the toilet, but go with a solid wall for the new end of the shower? would you turn the toilet sideways & just leave it exposed to the rest of the room?

  • 25 days ago

    pmslaw1: You could turn it or leave it. I am personally not a fan of putting the toilet "in a closet" by having doors or walls blocking it in. Just me. I know it is a thing in the south. I'll try to find pics of my idea.

    pmslaw1 thanked hollywaterfall
  • 25 days ago

    Apologies if this scheme has already been suggested!

    pmslaw1 thanked genplan65
  • 25 days ago

    pmslaw1: this isn't exactly like what you've drawn but as far as the 1/2 wall shower/toilet idea it gives you a bit of a visual. Look up "shower niche" in Houzz photos and you may see some other ideas you can use.

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    pmslaw1 thanked hollywaterfall
  • 25 days ago

    @genplan65 Yes!!! i had been considering that also! that way i get the wall so only one side of glass in shower but the toilet isn't the first thing you see upon entering. Even though it involves moving the toilet, I'm ok with that. I think that also works better with @RappArchitecture’s advice of a partial wall since it’s farther back from the entry. Thank you!

  • 18 days ago

    @Karenseb Thanks for your ideas on this...I ended up going with something similar to your daughter's. Do you happen to have any info regarding the cabinet over the toilet in your photo? or was that custom? Thx!

  • 18 days ago

    Pmslaw1,
    So glad you’re making progress! You’d asked about shifting the vanity and flanking with symmetrical linen cabinets…
    Considering the width of the vanity in the current position, and the length of the new shower being roughly the same, maybe the single 36”ish linen cabinet across from the toilet space will have a better feel?

  • 18 days ago

    @genplan65 I think you're right, now that the wall is up & the shower space is determined. Of course, due to my impatience & the contractor's time constraints, I had them move the plumbing to accommodate the centered vanity!! ;( ;( ;(

  • 17 days ago

    I’m sure it will be fine!

    pmslaw1 thanked genplan65
  • 17 days ago

    Thx! Just very difficult to find cabinets that fit the space and style/color of vanity!! Either too deep, too wide, too short, wrong color LOL

  • 15 days ago

    The cabinet over the toilet was custom.

    pmslaw1 thanked Karenseb