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Kitchen Layout Advice

29 days ago

First of all thanks to everyone who contributes here what a great resource! We’re putting an addition on our home that will include a new kitchen as well as pantry and mudroom. I’ve included the first floor plan from the architect as well as my best attempt at a layout for the kitchen (layout on architect plan is basically a place holder). In terms of siting we have a nice back yard which is to the north (bottom of photos) and want to maximize the view/windows in that direction. There is another house fairly nearby to the east (left). I’m building all of the cabinets that are going in the kitchen and I need to finalize my design so I can get them built prior to construction which is slated to start this summer (I have a place to store them until ready for install). Anyone see any major issues with this layout? Here are the major issues that I need some input on:


1. 42” aisle width between cooktop and island. This one is actually a non issue for me - I’m the only one who cooks in our kitchen 99% of the time and we have another home with this stove-island aisle width and it is perfect for me.


2. 48” clearance between wall and seating on short side of island. I know this is marginal but seems better than putting a third seat where it’s in the way of the frig. Need 3 seats as we are a 3 person household.


3. Clearance between island and frig. I think this is ok? There is plenty of room behind the two seats at the island and 44” from the edge of island counter to the door of the refrigerator.


4. Frig location in general. I’ve tried out a bunch of different iterations and this seems to be the best to me. Easy access from LR and island seating that doesn’t interfere with other kitchen zones. Downside - not direct path from cooktop.


5-? You tell me!


Thanks in advance for any advice!





Comments (14)

  • 29 days ago

    Realize the some of the dimensions were cut off of the plan in the original post.



  • 29 days ago

    I like this plan and can see you've put plenty of thought into it. Things of note or things to ask of yourself & your cooking style that come to mind:


    Where the island seating turns the corner, be mindful that knees can't overlap under the table. They are currently sharing the same square foot of knee space. I might consider moving the island a foot closer to the pantry/mudroom, and lining up the chairs in a row all facing the stove. Better to have a 36" aisle in a non-working aisle spot (many hallways are this width) than a body in a chair on the short side of the island taking up 2 feet and leaving a 2 foot space to skooch by behind them.


    I don't like the DW between range and sink myself - can get in the way since at my house we are often unloading the dishwasher while I make dinner. I'd move DW to the other side.


    If you take your foods from the fridge, to the sink, then prep at the island or sink-side, the layout is optimally functional. If you are like me and at least two of my friends, you get ingredients from the fridge and get to work right by the stovetop as you toss things in pots! Not to mention going back to the fridge for additional ingredients as you cook. In that kind of case, then I'd move the stovetop a bit closer to the corner, and/or move the island a foot toward the pantry wall, to make it less of a barrier to the fridge access. Note that there is no need to center the cooktop on its wall or on the island - balance is greater than symmetry, and you will still have balance.

    bonefish96 thanked Julie S
  • 29 days ago
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    This layout is tight. I'd want a larger accurately scaled drawing to work on. Measurements for the parts. The frig you have may only fit as drawn if you use an integrated model like SubZero, Miele or two of a built-in IKEA model. Clearance measurements are from the 25.5" counter edge. Next step is to use cardboard box material for a full sized mockup in your garage or basement. The pantry and mudroom.dimensions can come after kitchen is set. Functional priority.

    bonefish96 thanked dan1888
  • 29 days ago

    Thanks Julie that makes a lot of sense! Kind of like this? I just don’t want the island to be so far from the sink that it starts to feel off - is 4 1/2 feet too much?


    RE dishwasher yes it may make more sense to move the dishwasher to the other side will have to give that one some more thought!



  • 29 days ago

    Thanks Dan. When you say ”tight” do you mean that it might feel cramped? RE dimensions the addition is 16’ wide so I have 15’ to work with minus the two exterior walls. 25.5” + 42” + 39” + 44” + 29.5” =180”/15’. The 29.5” dimension is for a 36” Bosch counter depth frig Model BC36CT81ENS - specs show 28.75 total depth with handle plus a 1” rear clearance so I guess I actually need 29.75 min. Is there a reason a counter depth frig like this wouldn’t work in the place of an integrated model?

  • PRO
    29 days ago

    If the laundry and bath were not there, would your plan change?

    Do you have a drawing showing the as built floor plan you could show?


    bonefish96 thanked PPF.
  • 29 days ago

    PFF - oh geez you’re kind of opening a can of worms on that one! No as built per se but this demo plan should give you an idea of what’s there. The area with the laundry/bath and the dining area and den are in the original part of the house from the 1890’s which is structural brick. The existing kitchen was tacked onto the back at some point and is wood framed. Total gut job including all the plumbing etc. hence when we were planning the addition there was no real savings in rebuilding it in its current location vs relocating to the planned location (there are a number of other factors at play including siting and structural considerations). No doubt the location of the bath/laundry is less than ideal but reconfiguring the entire first floor we would lose historic elements of the house and although it is possible to create a better overall floorplan on paper the one we landed on was carefully considered and we’ve ”made peace” with the quirks.


  • 29 days ago

    Yes to moving DW to left of sink and to sliding the stove up closer to the sink as you have done.

  • 28 days ago

    It helps to have all dimensions on a master layout. The lane between the frig with the French doors open and someone standing there and the island counter, that the primary way into the kitchen. Draw that for obstruction clearance. A counter chair takes about 21" when in use. I also go from frig to range or now often to the air fryer/toaster oven. The range oven isn't used. No micro. For three a 30" induction range without wall ovens and a smaller sink for me.

  • 28 days ago

    Quick reply to your reply - I love aisles in the 4-5 feet range and do not find them too wide at all. I always suggest mocking up aisle widths with blocky furniture items of the approximate height i.e. a dresser, so you can see for yourself in real space what feels like enough or too much.

    bonefish96 thanked Julie S
  • 28 days ago

    Hi Jane - the pantry design is the next step in the process but obviously good to be thinking about it in conjunction with the kitchen. I agree with your suggestion to steal a couple of inches from the mudroom space for some shallow shelving on the right hand side of the pantry. I guess what you are suggesting with extending the cabinetry to the right of the wall oven is essentially what I was envisioning for the pantry minus the wall and pocket door - a pantry niche if you will. Interesting idea I hadn’t considered and I do like that it would bring in more light (and that is a south facing window) although that window does look out onto our driveway. However I think my wife is pretty stuck on having a separate space to hide some of the stuff we don’t want to see on a day to day basis.

  • 28 days ago

    I'll dive in that can of worms. I see it too often when people get so down in the weeds about details in the kitchen, and miss the forest for the trees. It is just a strange layout with:

    • the Dining disassociated, in the way of main circulation, and open to a full bathroom and laundry.
    • There seems to be 2 back doors now, from the same deck.
    • The Kitchen is effectively larger than the new Family Room.


    Adding an addition, and rethinking the house, gives you opportunity so you don't have to "make peace" with a compromised design that'll provide some frustratration for you from here on out. I can think of maybe 3 or 4 layouts that might be better and seems to accomplish what appears to be your main goals.

    bonefish96 thanked 3onthetree
  • 28 days ago

    3onthetree thanks for for your input. I’ve kind of moved on from this honestly. I’m here mostly at this point to have some other people look at my kitchen design to make sure im avoiding any major pitfalls. As I stated previously I fully recognize that its entirely possible to draw a better first floor layout on paper I’ve been down that road and we landed where we landed for a myriad of reasons. That being said if you’d like to share your layout ideas i’d be more than happy to see them and have a conversation about why they would or wouldn’t work in our particular situation.

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