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Need advice about baseboard and chair rail installation

18 years ago

We had some water damage in our bathroom and needed to remove the baseboard and dispose of it. I could hire someone to put a new one on, but was thinking maybe I could try it myself. I don't own a miter saw but I have a miter box, saw, jigsaw (never used it though) and a cope saw. I don't own a nail gun. There is one area behind the toilet where I would have to cut a hole for the pipe going into the wall. Should I attempt this, or is this best to contract out?

My carpentry skills are not terribly great, but I do have an interest in learning.

Also, is installing a chair rail similar in complexity to installing baseboard? Or is it harder? I was thinking of putting a chair rail and picture frame moulding in my upstairs hallway.

Thanks for your help.

Comments (12)

  • 18 years ago

    Try to do it all yourself. Even if you have to be rescued, it's only a few dollars wasted on baseboard.

    The miter box may limit you unless you have exact 45 degree outside miters. A compound miter saw is best for that.

    The inside corners should be coped for a nice, snug fit. There are plenty of coping instructions online. After one coping fit, you'll have it down.

    Pre-drill the fastening holes through the baseboard with a small bit. That will prevent any splits and make it easier to start the hammering process.

    Use acrylic latex caulk to fill any gaps between board and wall to create a professional finish.

    A chair rail can be complex for a beginner especially if it has a lot of design features.

    My daughter's Christmas list includes a compound miter saw and a brad nailer. She wants to install crown molding in her new house. :)

    Michael

    Here is a link that might be useful: coping joints

  • 18 years ago

    Hi Michael, thanks so much for your help! I will try it myself. I'm not sure if I should invest in the compound miter saw just yet. I think that is a pretty big investment and also a pretty big piece of machinery. I have heard as you have said that the miter box isn't that useful though. Like your daughter, I would love to be able to install crown molding so will probably need to buy one if I get up the nerve to try. I guess it will depend on how these smaller projects go.

    Thanks for the info on coping. It will be fun to try.

    Is a brad nailer a nail gun for finishing nails? There was one on sale at Home depot for around $50. would that be worth getting?

    Would love to hear how your daughter's molding project goes!

    Thanks again!

  • 18 years ago

    Michael, just wanted to let you know, if you are still there, that I installed the baseboard in my basement! It came out really well. It took a while with the miter box, definitely will consider a compound miter saw if I attempt my upstairs project. Coping was a learning process but I got it OK. Since I painted the trim white, the caulk gives it a very finished look (and hides any beginner goof ups!)

    As for the chair rail, I think I will just do a simple chair rail (one piece) since I don't want it to project much into the hallway. I may have to break down and get the pneumatic nailer even though they run $350 or so. We'll see!

    From my reading it seems I need to make a jig for the picture frames. Is there any rule of thumb for how big to make the picture frames? Should they be wider than they are tall? Thanks!

  • 18 years ago

    Hold the phone!!!!!

    Brad/finish nailers can be found for MUCH less than $350!!!!!

    Porter Cable regularly runs specials on a kit---18 gauge brad nailer, 16 gauge finish nailer, small portable compressor with hose/fittings/thread tape for less than $350. That is an ideal combo for home use.

    I have all three---bought separately years ago---That I use in my business. six years and no problems.

    Miter saws are also priced with a wide difference. My son bought a Delta 10" compound miter saw to do trim in his house and paid $99. we used ot for tongue and groove ceiling planks, 3&1/2" crown molding, and standard base molding.

    I have a six year old DeWalt 12" saw I paid $300 and now sells regularly for $290. There are dual compound models---they tilt/swing in both directions starting around $400 and sliding compound starting at $400 for 10" models and $600 for 12" models.

  • 18 years ago

    Go to Harbor Freight for 'occasional use' tools.

    You can get a 18 gauge nailer for $15 and believe it or not - it works fairly well - definitely good enough for the occasional project. If it breaks, pitch it and get another one. I believe I bought mine on sale for $12.99 and 3 years later it still works. Their 16 ga finish nailer is around $79. You could rent a compressor for a weekend from Home Depot.

  • 18 years ago

    Purchased a refurbished Porter-Cable finish nailer for $69.00. Bargains can be found if you look.

  • 18 years ago

    I will check out the options you all kindly listed above... It seems that what made it so expensive was the compressor. maybe I will try renting that as randymeyer suggested.

  • 18 years ago

    Just wanted to let you know I am almost done with the chair rail and picture frame moldings in my hallway. THey came out great and really add the detail that the hall needed. I will post pictures soon. I ended up using just a miter box and saw - no special nailer. Used tite bond glue for the frames.

    Thanks for your help!

  • 18 years ago

    Here are some before and after pics of the chair rail and picture frame molding install that I did. I hope you like it! Thanks for your guidance on everything. I am really proud that I was able to do it.

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  • 18 years ago

    What a wonderful change!

    Very nice work too!

    I'm glad we were able to help you create such a nice finish.

    Michael

  • 18 years ago

    Way to go! It looks great.

  • 18 years ago

    Thanks! I definitely learned a lot on this project. The wavy walls and sizing of the frames was the most challenging part for me. Finding good caulk and wood glue was important too.