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Citrus in the news! The rare Dekopon

stephen90
March 2, 2011

Take a look at this, everyone: a special variety of citrus in the news.....

http://www.latimes.com/features/food/la-fo-dekopon-20110217,0,3259483.story?page=1

Here is a link that might be useful: The news story

Comments (41)

  • malibu_rose

    Yes, I read this with interest last week. I wonder when we can buy these citrus plants for growing.

  • sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida 9a)

    Really cool. Can't wait to try one and get a tree as well.

  • mksmth zone 7a Tulsa Oklahoma

    search on here of dekopon will find some interesting discussions on some of the other forums. its mentioned a few times that the seeds are true to type but the fruit is supposed to be seedless and hard to find one that does have seeds. Sounds like it will be a long time before the public can buy the tree.

    First one to find a seed and grow out the tree to fruiting age wins, LOL.

    Mike

  • tantanman

    A cross between a tangor and a ponkan sounds very good indeed. I hope it is better than the much hearalded Miho which was developed in Japan and released in Texas as they best thing since the Owari. The claim was that Miho was the second most popular citrus in Japan next to Miagawa Satsuma ( one of its parents). Mine is almost completely lacking in taste. I assume that is because it is almost seedless.

    From the description though, I am very surprised the Japanese will buy them. They have an adversion to fruit that is not round and smooth and pleasing to the eye.

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA

    I actually emailed the grower of the Sumo, and there are no trees available to the retail nursey trade right now. All trees are "spoken for", but selected commercial growers hand-picked by Sunsweet. So, the only way you'll get a Sumo mandarin tree in your home garden is to try to find the fruit, and see if the seeds, if you get any, are polyembyonic. I'm still trying to find fruit in my area (N. San Diego county, Calif) so I can do my own taste test.

    Patty S.

  • malibu_rose

    Had my first Sumo Mandarin (Dekopon) today at Gelson's, an upscale market in Southern California. They were $3.99 a pound and each dekopon weighed about 3/4 of a pound. For two dekopons, I paid almost $6.00! They were very sweet and smooth considering how rough the skin was. They were also seedless. :(
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  • simon_grow

    I wonder if that Dekopon seed seller on ebay can be trusted. I've eaten nearly 12 Dekopons and have not come across a single seed.
    Simon

  • redshirtcat

    I'm a compulsive and reckless buyer. 10 seeds on the way... it will only take.. hmm.. up to 8 years to tell if I'm getting what I paid for?

    Wish I had a friend at the CCPP...

  • JXBrown (Sunset 24, N San Diego County)

    I spent $3.59 for two at Mitsuwa yesterday. They also had them for $2.99 per pound at Whole Foods, but I'm kind of allergic to WF, so I didn't jump. They are good, sweet, seedless tangerines, but IMHO not as tasty as the Gold Nuggets growing in my own little yard.

  • redshirtcat

    Hmm - does anyone know if citrus seeds can harbor viruses? Or is it just budwood?

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA

    Citrus seeds can carry the bacteria Xanthomonas citri, which cause the citrus canker, so a gentle soak in 5% bleach solution will kill any of the bacteria that might be harbored on the seed. But, more ominously, it is also now believed that the seed can carry greening (from the Asian citrus psyllid). You should check in your state as to whether or not the importation of citrus seed is permitted. I do not believe it is in Florida, and wouldn't be surprised if it is also prohibited in California and Texas, both huge commercial citrus states as well. If you are really interested in growing a Sumo mandarin, you might want to contact the Citrus Clonal Protection Program at the University of California, Riverside, where certified budwood will be available fairly soon for those who want to grow this particular mandarin.

    Patty S.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Citrus Clonal Protection Program, UC Riverside

  • redshirtcat

    Yup. Had to cancel the order. Looks like federal law prohibits importation of citrus seeds.

    I'm aware of the CCPP but for new (thus rare and in short supply) budwood in-state people get first crack. That is if/when it becomes available, which it isn't currently and my understanding is that it might not be at the next budwood cutting date.

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA

    redshirtcat,
    True and true, but for now, unless Suntreat loosens up it's stranglehold on this mandarin, this will be your only option. Right now, they are only allowing certain commercial growers have trees, and have no plans on releasing this tree to the retail nursery trade in the near future. UC Riverside does have the budwood, and eventually, tree growers will be able to get enough budwood to grow for the retail nursery market, but that will be at least 2 to 3 years out for us citrus hobbiests. And, as many serious mandarin folks have pointed out, there are other mandarins that they feel are better tasting, so perhaps we're not really missing out on anything earthshaking!

    Patty S.

  • ashleysf

    redshirtcat, I remember being so frustrated at not being able to get Gold Nugget and Tango mandarins trees because of similar reasons (patents and restrictions). And in 2 years, the market was literally glutted with them - my local Lowes had 100 Tango trees last year in the summer. So, please be patient and then there will be an overabundance of the Sumo soon!

  • MrClint

    I bought a case of Sumo (6 to a case) from a local Whole Foods today. Most folks may already know this, but they will discount 10% if you buy by the case.

    At any rate, it is a remarkable piece of fruit. The flavor was pretty close to a Tangerine Lifesaver candy. Juicy, easy to peel, nice size, wonderful texture, and sweet with some interesting flavor levels. If you love citrus, don't miss your chance to give these a try. I'm a huge fan.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Sumo Citrus

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA

    I bought a couple of cases at Mitsuwa Marketplace down in San Diego this weekend. 9 to a case, $12.99 a case. They were good, but I have had better mandarins - Page for one. They are very large, seedless (so far), have a nice thin membrane, and are very sweet with a low-acid taste. But, not very "tangeriny" in my opinion. Worth eating, but I wouldn't say they are the "best mandarin". My Algerian Clemintine was better.

    Patty S.

  • bgtimber75

    Late to this party but I just had my first Sumo. They had them at Weagmans 2 for $3 and a case of 12 for $10.99. I only got 2 because I had never heard of them before. Big mistake on my part, this may very well be the best citrus I've ever tasted. Weagmans is not close by but I'm going to have to make a trek back out there before these go out of season.

  • bamboo_rabbit

    Wegmans in what city?

  • bgtimber75

    Hunt Valley, MD. Other side of the country from you unfortunately.

    I was on there website and you can check availability for your local store from the looks of things.

  • iammarcus

    Hoosier your comparison makes me feel better about missing out on the Dekopon as i currently have the Algerian and the W. Murcott with the Page, Pixie, Kishu on the way.
    Dan

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA

    Well, I know that Citrussource is really trying to hype up the Dekopon, as they have a substantial amount of money invested in growing them commercially. They're good, but there are as good or better varieties we can already grow. Their big appeal in the commercial market is first off their size, then their zipper skin, the fact they're nearly seedless, and that they taste pretty good. But, still nothing touches the Kishu. Enjoy your varieties, they are all very delicious, and you've got a nice span of time that you'll have mandarins!

    Patty S.

  • jacklord

    I have been grabbing one or two a day for breakfast from Whole Foods.

    I must say they are damn good.

  • esplinlin

    I bought a dozen Dekopon tangerines at Whole Foods in Phoenix in March. We savored each one, and held our breath as we peeled the last one, hoping for a seed. Bingo! Three seeds. One of them actually sprouted, and the tiny seedling is now an inch tall. The growers in CA don't have anything to worry about from me. If it survives, I'll plant it in my backyard along with our other citrus trees. But it will be a long time before we get any tangerines. In the meantime, I love to watch plants grow.

  • bamboo_rabbit

    My Dekopon tree. I hope the hype is worth the trouble I had getting the tree.

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  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA

    Congrats on locating the Dekopon, Bamboo! So, where were you finally able to locate one to purchase?

    Patty S.

  • bamboo_rabbit

    Patty,

    We talked about it in the other thread:)

    Here is a link that might be useful: Link

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA

    Yup, but no mention of the name of the nursery or grower? Highly unlikely, unless they're a large nursery or grower, that they can ship out of state, and even if they can, pretty sure they will not be able to ship to Calif., but always hoping, lol!!

    Patty

  • bamboo_rabbit

    Patty,

    I'm sorry I misunderstood. The name of the grower on the tag is Darryl's family nursery.

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA

    Ah. Okay, very happy for you, Bamboo, and keeps us posted on the fruit. I have a wee little seedling, so I'm hoping I continue to remember to water the little guy. It might make it to adulthood. We can compare fruit notes :-)

    Patty S.

  • bamboo_rabbit

    Patty,

    Will do. It will be a couple of years before I allow it to fruit but it seems to be doing well so far. I am tempted to take a bud from it and graft it to another established tree.

  • PamSH53

    We planted a Sumo seed about a year ago. It's now about 8" tall and has a flower bud. I'm not sure what to do. Let it open and fruit, or nip it? Also, will the tree we are growing from a Sumo seed produce actual Sumos? (I know Sumos are a hybrid.) Also, we just found three more seeds in the Sumos we bought at Whole Foods.

  • PamSH53

    It just hit me that the poor little Sumo tree, only 8" tall, is too small to support a fruit. I'm going to have to clip that flower. But does anyone know what to expect from a planted seed?

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA

    Pam, I wouldn't worry about it. Most likely the fruit will drop off itself. If not, simply pluck the fruit when it's about bb sized. And yes, most likely the seedling was a clone of the mother plant. The Dekopon is a hybrid, but that has nothing to do with its seeds. The Dekopon is polyembryonic, which means it will produce more than one seedling per seed, and the strongest seedling will be the clone. It often will crowd out the pollinated or hybrid seedlings and they may simply tamp off. Your seedling will grow quickly, and may produce quickly for you, if you're already seeing flowering. So, leave the flower alone, enjoy it. See what happens. Post up some photos, we'd love to see your little tree!

    Patty S.

  • krismast

    A huge stack of boxes of sumo mandarins caught my eye at my local Wegmans. Of course I had to get some. They are so good! Sweet and juicy! Not cheap though, but very delicious!

    Kristopher

  • mksmth zone 7a Tulsa Oklahoma

    I just found a seed in a Dekopon/Sumo!! I feel like charlie In Willie Wonka finding the golden Ticket. Your darn right Im gonna germinate this guy.

    I just hope Im around long enough to see what it makes. LOL


    Mike

  • serge94501

    They're running me about $3/ea from all the stores around here (nor cal). Lots of good things about this fruit. The best thing is that my 2 little girls LOVE it and will eat them until they are full.

  • Ryan

    They are expensive! But I am addicted, They are more tart this year than last year. Super sweet last year. I kinda like them better this year.

  • Tuan California

    For those living in California.... ccpp released budwood dekopon/ shiranui if anyone want to graft. I grafted on march 21, 2017 and after 6 weeks pic ( dekopon/shiranui)

  • Mike Czysh

    What do you call the smaller part of leaf nearest the stem? Your Dekopon has large(whatever you call these). I've got a tree growing on my property(PPAF) with delicious fruit, totally seedless, thornless five &1/2 years in the ground. That part of leaf is very small(smaller than your dekopon). E-mail me! czmapple@gmail.com...photo taken 11-7-17

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