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dealing with nightmare hill made of broken tile / trash

John Kuhn
3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago

dear landscapers

I write with a classic question: we bought a house and are trying to deal with some of the insane choices made by the former owners. Behind the house (built 1890) is a hill that runs the width of the property. Half of it is a normal hill with grass on it. It's kind of a sharp slope, unpleasant in winter (we are in Central New York), but otherwise normal. Half of it is a nightmare. There is a broken patio above the hill that we are going to replace soon, but the real issue is the hill, and I was hoping to get some advice about it before we even started on the patio. The top of it appears to made mostly out of broken tile, smashed bricks, and cement blocks mixed with dirt. At first we thought it was just on the surface--they had been storing a boat on it and we thought maybe it had something to do with that--but after we removed some of the broken tile from the top, digging into it revealed that the hill seems to be *composed* of this material. There also is a wall of sorts, which appears to be made out of broken asphalt chunks (I think). There are blackberries scattered around on the hill (a kind of inexplicable choice, since this area is shaded by a large maple in my neighbor's yard--the blackberries stay pretty sour as a result), and a patch of wild ramps at the bottom. The bottom of this side of the hill has flooding issues, and a large puddle will form at the base when it rains. The whole yard is 50' wide. What do you think we should do with this space? We can't get large equipment into the backyard (anything that can't pass through a gate). I don't know much about landscaping, and am kind of at a loss and am looking for some basic ideas and guidance before I approach a professional. Any thoughts?







Comments (6)

  • apple_pie_order
    3 years ago

    The house may have had a trash burning area in the bad patch. 130 years is a long time to accumulate things. I suggest making a measured plan of the yard to start with. Indicate the puddle size and depth. If you have an overhead view from google streetview or a plan from your escrow papers, both would be good ways to start with the outline. Are there drone photos from the listing?


    Another thing you as an urban archeologist could do is dig a couple more holes in random parts of the problem area to see more of how far down the junk goes. A foot or two deep may be helpful. Wear sturdy gloves. Spark plugs, broken bottles and old cans are a tip off that it was a trash burning area.


    Professional landscapers have access to power equipment that will fit through typical gates.


    Do you have a photo from the back gate showing the full yard?



  • John Kuhn
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    thank you for the suggestion! No drone photos from the listing. Here are some photos of the length of the back yard, shot from the house. The patches in the back are being solarized, just FYI. Blue thing is a shed, red thing is a chicken coop. There are drainage issues throughout the yard, but the area in front of the shed is the one I'm discussing here.




  • floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
    3 years ago

    I think I can explain the ‘inexplicable’. Judging by the other self sown weeds in the area I don’t think the blackberries are a deliberate planting. I imagine they’re the result of birds sitting in the trees above. Same goes for the straggly grape and the Virginia creeper. There are even some grape seedlings visible. I can’t see any cultivated plants in the bed at all.

  • apple_pie_order
    3 years ago

    Thanks for photos. It looks like you have already done a lot of work.


    If you have trash pickup that will accept a few rocks and broken tiles every week, you could try the slow-but-sure-and-free method of collecting (say) 20 pounds every trash pickup day. Since it's already late August, you could cut the miscellaneous weeds to the ground now, then nip off any new sprouts until first frost discourages new growth.


    Next time it rains, take photos of the puddles. These photos will be very useful when talking to a professional landscaper.


    You didn't ask, but here's another comment. In terms of immediate improvement in appearance from the house, when you have time you could move the hinges on the big shed doors to improve the way they close (the screw holes may not be holding any more), then use any leftover blue paint to match the gate to the house.


    A fun thing to do is use a pressure washer on old sidewalks and bricks. Consider relaying the old patio bricks in front of the shed doors to avoid mud splashes. You're in an area where frost heaving may be important, so another solution may be more effective.

  • John Kuhn
    Original Author
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    @mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY) our current working theory is that they built up the hill using clean fill and it *used* to have a soil cover on it, which has since eroded (possibly due to drainage issues caused by the improperly set patio above). One possibility would be somehow recovering the area (and maybe replacing the retaining wall)

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