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Ready to make my backyard beautiful! Where do I start?

Alex M
last year

Hello everyone!
I have a backyard in desperate need of an update/rehaul. Everything about it screams "help!", And I feel paralyzed because I don't know where to start! I know I need to hire professionals to do the things I want, but I'm pretty handy and love to garder, so can do some things myself.
This is what I'd like to see changed:
Replant the four trees (2 apple and 2 cherry) from the middle,
Make the area by the basement doors as a low patio (Engineered wood?) Or ground patio (stone? Concrete?).
Space to the right of the yard (the area that gets the most sun)- create an area for some minimal gardening (tomatoes and easy to grow vegetables ).
Near the fence to the right and the back area: create English-garden looking areas with shrubs, greenery and perennials.
My patio- at some point I would love to turn it into a three seasons room or covered patio, but for no- widen the stairs.
Re-home the hydrangeas by the patio and the basement stairs area and make that whole space a patio (as I mentioned above).
Anyway, where would you start?
Thanks for any advice!

Comments (22)

  • 41 North (Zone 7a/b, NE, coastal)
    last year

    Starting Point: What is your approximate location on earth?

  • beesneeds
    last year

    It looks like most of your yard is mostly full shade during the growing season. That can be a challenge to work with. Do you have any children or pets? Sometimes some plants can be a concern for kids or pets. Do you plan on putting in any fencing along that green line, or prefer to let your plants be more of a living border for the yard?

    If you aren't doing so already, plan in a composting space. Dropped leaves and green garden scraps help make great compost fto feed your gardening plans.

  • einportlandor
    last year

    Alex, start with a plan. Many full-service nurseries offer a design service at a very reasonable cost. They sometimes offer discounts on plants, too. If you don't have success there look for a small, local company that does design, installation and maintenance. You have mature trees and an existing deck so a landscape designer can help you incorporate those elements into a plan that meets your budget.


    Once you have a design you can decide what you want to DIY and what you want someone else to do. You can also complete the plan as time and money is available. Good luck with your project!



  • Alex M
    Original Author
    last year

    R, I'm in Maryland

  • Alex M
    Original Author
    last year

    @Beesneeds, the right side of the yard gets some sun during the day, so that's where I would put some kind of vegetable garden, perhaps. As for the fence, I think I prefer to let plants be a living border for the yard. Good idea on the compost, do you have any particular composting bin in mind, or anything will do?

  • Alex M
    Original Author
    last year

    @einportlandor I love that advice, I have started liking in my neighborhood for local landscaping business recommendations!

  • beesneeds
    last year

    What to do for composting bin depends on your style of composting. Some folks like to be active and have a hot pile or few that they turn and add to regularly. Hot piles break down and finish faster. Hot piles can be better if you want more compost quicker, or have limited space for your composting and can't let cold piles sit for years. I can't recommend what bins or system works best for that, I don't hot compost. There are other members here that do hot compost and are great at it. If you post a couple pics of your yard and ask for help setting up compost bins for that over in another section, you will likely get some help with that.

    I'm a lazy gardener and have the space in my yard that I can do cold composting. I do square cages of 2x4" metal fencing, cubes about 3x3x3'. Fill them up with the garden debris till they are full and let them compost down for a few years. I like to top them off with good garden dirt and grow short crops in them since they are super raised beds at that point. I also have a lot of open garden bed space, so most of my fallen leaves are used for mulching beds. As you landscape in your borders you may find you want to use your leaves as mulch instead of bringing in bark or something else.

    If you post a topic similar to this one but addressing your composting, veggie gardening, and shade plant requirements you can get help from additional members that are more active in other areas here. Post in the Soil, compost, and mulch, the Vegetable Gardening, and the Gardening in Shade sections and include the photos of what you are wanting to do.

  • marmiegard_z7b
    last year

    What are the trees you’d like to “ relocate “ ? I’m not seeing any small saplings.

  • Iowa Blooms z 5
    last year

    I'd start with a small veggie garden in the sunny spots. You can buy or build a simple raised bed. This will give you a nicely defined garden area. You can also make a garden directly in the soil, but you will most likely need edging to keep lawn grass out.


    Your state extension office is a great resource:


    https://extension.umd.edu/resources#!/category/3


  • laceyvail 6A, WV
    last year

    How sunny are the sunny spots? You'll need at least 6-8 hrs of sun for lettuce and other greens and 10 hours for tomatoes, peppers.

  • rob333 (zone 7b)
    last year
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    Observing. That's where to start. Spend an entire day outside in another month. What time does the sun start hitting those sunny spots, and for how long? What views do you get when you sit certain places? Can you capitalize on them, or avoid looking at eyesores? You may want to move your patio someplace completely different, for instance. What if, instead of the long portion heading towards the shed, you have it go longways towards your widening stairs? You might end up with more sunny spots to use. For instance. Since you've suggested rebuilding altogether. I feel like your deck is encroaching on what could be your best gardening spot ;) But that's just me. What do you feel when you're in the space, with a clean slate? If none of it was where it is now? This is all just an exercise in, is my yard at my maximum. Maybe you can't move your deck and it's in its best spot.

  • Sigrid
    last year

    Unless the trees you plan to move are small, you are better off moving them after a year. In the spring, you dig a semi-circle the width of the tree's crown the depth of the roots. This cuts half the roots and the tree will grow new roots inside the circle. Then, in next spring, you do the other half of the roots (the semi-circle you didn't cut in the spring). Then, you move the tree the following fall.

  • Alex M
    Original Author
    last year

    @Iova Blooms, the link you provided is really great! It was wealth of information, and great ideas for pants in Maryland. Thank you! 

    I think my yard's soil is pretty bad: dry and kind of sandy, so I'm hesitant to plant into it. Would it be helpful to add a layer of some kind of nice soil to the areas I'll be growing plants? I'm scared I'll plant them and they will die!

  • laceyvail 6A, WV
    last year

    You improve soil by adding organic material.

  • einportlandor
    last year

    Alex -- Your state Extension Service likely has loads of helpful advice on their website that's specific to your area. Do a bit of googling. While you're at it, track down your local Master Gardener chapter (managed by the Extension Service). Master Gardeners can talk to you about your soil and point you to great resources -- their service is free.

  • Alex M
    Original Author
    last year

    @einportlandor thank you, that's a great idea! I didn't know anything about Master Gardners and state extension service. I'll look into that, because that is a big concern of mine, the condition of the soil in my yard. I worry I'll spend the money on planting and will end up with plants that are not thriving.

  • einportlandor
    last year

    Alex, you're smart to focus on the soil. Many beginning gardeners (including me) go directly to adding beautiful plants only to be disappointed when they struggle. Healthy soil = healthy plants.


    You might consider having your soil tested. There are OTC testing kits available in nurseries but a professional analysis is worthwhile (and not terribly expensive). Some Extension Service offices offer this service (mine does not), but they can refer you to testing labs in your area. Master Gardeners should be able to provide you with a list of labs and help, interpret the results and suggest soil amendments. Good luck with your new garden!

  • pricklypearcactus
    last year

    It does sound like you want to do a LOT to your back yard. Some important things to consider are budget and how much of the work you feel comfortable doing yourself. I tend to do a lot of DIY, which saves me money but also takes way more time than hiring a professional. So if it were me, i would start by working on some landscape designs on graph paper. Figure out exactly where I ultimately want things positioned and then work backwards on defining projects to accomplish each component.


    I notice that you said you want to "turn patio into four seasons room" but you need to realize that not all patios are built to the standards necessary for a room extension. High probability that what you'd actually have to do is tear down the patio to build an extension.


    Certainly once you have a plan drawn up you could begin doing the items that are within your skillset such as building a vegetable garden.

  • AnnKH
    last year

    Whatever your plans for the yard, be very realistic about how you really live. Do you use the existing deck, and yearn for more space? Do you love puttering around in flower and vegetable beds? Or do you spend most of your summer evenings on the golf course or at a local pool?


    You have dreams of a wonderful outdoor space - but a long, expensive road to get there. Make sure you will use it enough to justify the expense.

  • partim
    last year

    It's hard to change your soil. Adding a layer on top doesn't do much good, because the plant's roots need to go down deep into your native soil. Or worse yet, the plant's roots try to stay on the surface layer of rich soil, then the roots dry out and the plant dies. The same problem happens when people dig a larger planting hole and fill it with good soil. The roots don't go past the rich soil, and the plant dies.

    So instead off trying to change your soil to accommodate the plants you want, turn that thinking around and find plants that love the soil you have. Often they will be plants that are native to your area, and have the benefit of being good for your native butterflies, bees etc. and your yard will have more interest than just the plants themselves.

  • partim
    last year
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    Before you start to spend money, even on a plan, think about how you want to use your space and what works or doesn't work now. A two-level living area (deck above, patio below) might not be your best bet because you lose the flexibility to move things around. Right now I see your outdoor "dining room" on the deck, your outdoor "kitchen" (grill) on the lower patio area, and I don't see a "living room" at all. Where would these outdoor rooms work best in your new plan?

    I agree with the poster above that is is highly unlikely that you will be able to build a 3 season room on the existing deck. Where are the doors to the outside from your house?

    Consider enlarging your existing deck instead of adding patio. I have a very large deck and love it. Instead of 2 small outdoor rooms I have one large one. I have lots of flexibility on where to place furniture depending on whether I am entertaining a crowd or just the family.

    As far as a cover for the patio, because I planted a tree just a few feet from the patio on the west side, I have shade there in the hot late afternoon, and a wonderful feeling of cool shelter. I put a small 10' x 10' metal gazebo on one corner for privacy from the neighbours' upstairs windows, and the gazebo cover keeps the dining table clean. You could do that now on your existing patio.

    As far as vegetables, consider grow bags that you fill with good soil and can place in the sunniest parts of your yard. https://www.bobvila.com/articles/grow-bags/