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coil problem on B@S motor

ollieduke
9 years ago

Have asked this problem a few years back and since this is a back up mower,I had forgot the problem. this is a B&S duel (around 13 hp)model 42a700. I have replaced the duel coil with no help from the problem. It will not start without grounding one of the spark plugs,once it starts,remove the wire and it runs perfect. Here lately,someone told me that the setting of the coin was off,I have moved it with in thickness of two sheets of writing paper and also the thickness of a thin piece of of cardboard,like an index card,also 2 thickness of the index card,and it still wont start with out grounding one plug. I am not sure the setting is the problem,but please give me explicit instructions on setting the gap,also any other ideas what the problem might be.

Comments (5)

  • bluemower
    9 years ago

    according to one of the Briggs training videos, a cold engine requires about 8,000 volts to jump the sparkplug gap. When the engine is hot, only 4,000 volts is required.

    If the cranking speed is slow, the ignition coil may not develop adequate voltage to start the engine.

  • ollieduke
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    bluemower,would grounding one plug give more voltage to the other plug. Thanks for reminding me to recheck plug gap and to try different settings.

  • mownie
    9 years ago

    I believe that grounding one of the spark plug cables WILL have an effect on the output of the other spark plug cable in these dual output magnetos, but I am at a loss to explain with certainty exactly how it does it. My opinion is that grounding one of the secondary coil windings causes an electrical "choke effect" that results in the opposite coil secondary output VOLTAGE being more robust or well defined.
    But, as bluemower advised, cranking RPM is critical with Magnetron ignition. Minimum of 350 cranking RPM is required to ensure good spark output on the Briggs Magnetron ignition, and these old Opp Twins are very fickle about cranking.
    And your estimate of 13 HP is a bit low. For this 42 cu in engine it will be more likely 16 to 18 HP.

  • ollieduke
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    Mownie,its a 18.5 HP. I used a .010 index card and set the coil gap and made sure I was on magnet. Plugs were .040 and .035,so changed them to around .027 and it started up ok and ran ok for not being started in over a year. While cold,started everytime,but when hot,had to use a car battery to start it. the manual states to only use starter for 5 seconds,wait one minute and then try again.(that helps,asÃÂ even the car battery doesnt always turn it fast untill you give it a minute to cool) Have noticed starter gets hot real quick,so probably need a new starter,but since its a back up,put up with starting it when hot. Now that I think back,it wouldnt start when it was hot,so I connected a wire to the plug to see if I was getting fire and it started,now me not being very smart,it took about 5 or 6 times this happening before I realized it started by grounding the plug. (then it got so it wouldnt start cold or anytime with out grounding the plug. So I guess gaps on coil and plugs and a hot starter all contributed to the trouble. So thank you and bluemower,as both your inputs helped me near get it fixed,as I aint spending $50 for a starter.

  • mownie
    9 years ago

    Be sure to check and clean ALL the connection points at both ends of each battery cable to rule out any high resistance.
    High resistance ANYWHERE in a starter circuit can cause slow cranking RPM and will overheat the starter too.
    If you have never cleaned and secured the battery cables at the solenoid and starter, and the ground cable ends, that is cheap enough to do and could yield some good results.

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