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Crazy indoor setup - question about air circulation

julianna_il
14 years ago

This is going to sound really convoluted, and I can't blame anyone for saying "Geesh, wouldn't it be easier to just buy plants in the spring?" The answer to that in advance is yes.but there are veg varieties I grow that can't be found, plus I really love growing some plants from seed. It's part of my winter fun.

That said, I've got a nice setup in the basement, but the basement is just too chilly. It's got heat vents and is heated, but always stays cooler than the rest of the house. To get it warm enough, I'd have to crank the heat upstairs up to 90.

So some plants just don't grow like they should. I've compared tomato plants, for example, with my friend's (who grows hers in a bedroom), and we plant at the same time. Hers are always a lot bigger and more robust. The only variable is the temperature. Last year I tried using a hot water bottle, haha, but that's too cumbersome and didn't work anyway.

I'm not at all comfortable with putting a space heater down there. That would work, but an unattended heater makes me nervous.

So I've been playing with the idea of moving my lights upstairs, and I've got a good spot in a walk-in closet that I just use for storage. It would be perfect.

The catch? One of the cats. She's very feisty, probably ADD (seriously) and into everything. I cannot have plants upstairs (except hanging ones out of reach) because she frantically digs out all the dirt, tears up the plant and then rolls around in the dirt.

A setup like this would be a dream come true for her. There's no door on this closet, just a curtain, and she plays in the closet all the time.

So my choices are:

1. Get a piece of plywood and rig it as a door. The problem with that is it's going to tick her off because she already plays in there. She'll probably figure out a way to remove the plywood. (She's very smart and she can also flatten herself and get into places you can't believe.)

2. The option I'm ready to do: hang the lights from underneath a high shelf that's already there. Put another shelf underneath for the seedlings.

Just like that would be a perfect setup, but because she would see the peat pots, she would attack. So I thought I could rig a removable piece of plywood (using hooks from the established shelf, something like that) that would enclose the whole thing. From wall to wall. I hope this makes sense. It would close it off entirely, and I would build it when she's sleeping so she wouldn't even know.

I basically have the build in my head, and it wouldn't be that hard. I've probably even got plywood scraps that I could use, so it wouldn't even cost more than a few bucks for hardware.

Now after all of that, here's my question (sigh):

Basically the seedlings and light would be in a large box on a wall. The problem I'm seeing is there would be no air circulation. I was thinking I could get one of those tiny battery-operated fans that are a few dollars and put that in there, plus remove the "door" for a few hours when she sleeps. I could tend the seedlings at that time as well. I was also thinking I'd put a pot of cat grass in a box on the floor so she'd have something to munch on and dig in in case she smells the plants.

Has anyone had a crazy setup like this, or do you have any thoughts on the air circulation issue? Anything else I haven't thought of? I've been growing seedlings for about five or six years now, and I think I've got it down. I've learned how much water to use so I don't have problems with gnats or mold. My only issue is the temperature.

Comments (9)

  • jrslick (North Central Kansas, Zone 5B)
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I have two options.

    1) Buy a radiant heat space heater. The oil filled ones. We use those in our cold bedrooms over night and they are super safe. The shut off if tipped over and they have a thermometer. I use one for my seed room.

    2) Get rid of the cat?

    Just some other suggestions, not wanting to pick a fight. We have 4 outside cats.

  • julianna_il
    Original Author
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The space heater might be worth a go. I'll check into them, and thanks for the heads up. Are these independent of electricity? I wouldn't mind combining something I could use for the seeds with something that would be on hand for power outages.

    Getting rid of the cat is not an option. LOL. I love her to death. And not only are cats illegal outside here, she has a disability and couldn't survive anyway. I'd give up the seeds before the cat.

  • rb55
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The oil filled heaters are good. We have used them for years with no problems. The only problem we have is they are 1500 watts and pluging any other high wattage item like the blow dryer or sweeper into the same circut will blow the fuse. A 15 amp fuse will not run two high amp devices.

    But your problem is probably the temp of the dirt. Use heat pads to keep the soil warm and you plants should grow better. Air temperature above 60 degrees should be fine.

    You may also check what kind of light bulbs your friend uses. That could also be a factor. Better lights equals better growth. Even old flourescent bulbs do not put out as much light as new ones.

  • namfon
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It is always interesting and informative reading about gardener's creativity. I hope you keep this thread updated with your decisions and progress.

    There are 2 thoughts that came to mind when I read your situation. Some people say they have had sucess using strings of Christmas lights around the seedlings, not for light but for heat. If you could enclose a small area in the basement it may work for both keeping the heat in and the cat out, but use Flourescent 4' lights for 14 - 16 hours a day and a small fan for 10 - 15 minutes a day for stocky growth.
    The other option might be inconvenient, but here goes, I use the bathroom for plants that like heat, I shut the door and leave a pan of water in there, it is always 10 - 15F warmer than the rest of the house and more humid also.

    Good Luck and let us know how things work.

    ( P.S. you also need supplemental light in the bathroom setup also. )

    Nam

  • rockguy
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I think I'd be inclined to put a tent over the table downstairs, add a small heat source like a regular light bulb. The poly tent would keep the heat in the area with the plants. Who am I kidding, I'd get rid of the cat.

  • julianna_il
    Original Author
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Sadly, I think someone *did* get rid of the cat by dumping her in the country. She's deaf, and when she was found, was near starvation and full of mites. She's definitely a handful, and I've come to believe she was dumped because of the way she freaks out when she wakes up and can't find me or the other cat. Like she's been tossed again. :(

    Nobody wanted her because she is deaf. I happened to be at a Pet Smart buying food and took her home. I heard a number of people say oh we can't have her because she's HANDICAPPED. She's a little darling. My other cat doesn't even know she's deaf. He calls for her to come play.

    Just a service announcement: if you have a pet you want to toss in the garbage, please take it to a shelter, preferably a no-kill shelter. Having grown up in the country, we were the recipients of so many dumped dogs and cats. In my grandparents' generation, it generally ended with a bullet because a farm can only support so many dogs and cats. In mine, I tried finding homes, adopting, etc.

    I'm not accusing anyone here of such a thing, just that a lot of city people don't understand that country people aren't just sitting around waiting to take care of the unwanted pets.

    Sorry, it's just a thing with me, and my heart breaks when I think of this little miss being dumped. She's a pistol, but so loving. And being deaf, she wouldn't have lived very long.

    Don't take this as a personal shot to you; I'm really sensitive to animals. And yet, I eat meat. Go figure.

  • milehighgirl
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    julianna_il, I can't believe you found her after being dumped in January! That she survived the ordeal at all is a true miracle. I agree with everything you said! We had a deaf ferret and he truly had the best personality of all the ones we've had.

    About dumping animals in the country: The red squirrel, for all practical purposes, has run out the native squirrels in the foothills of the Rockies because of supposed kind people dumpling them on someone else. It's such a shame that those cute little grey squirrels with their little tufted ears are no more!

  • joytosew
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I have mine under lights in my basement. I have a 5 foot shelf and it is covered with plastic. My basement stays cold so what I have done is purchased two vaporizers (not humidifiers). I have them placed on timers on two different shelves. Each morning and night I alternate which one I run. It keeps a constant warm temperature plus I don't have to worry about the humidity of my plants. Maybe not perfect for everyone but works great for me. I've done this for two years and I have those large healthy plants to put in my garden.

    Good luck!

  • julianna_il
    Original Author
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Joy, could you clarify for me on the vaporizers? Would these be the cool mist kind? If so, how do those keep them warm?

    I'm interested in this setup...sounds like a great idea!!

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