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Another Wooden Worm Box Question

Tooges
18 years ago

I'm another vermiculture newb. I built a 2'x2'x3' wooden box according to plans posted on a Spokane recycling site. I placed it in the shade, and filled it about a foot deep with moistened newspaper, using the damp sponge analogy.

I bought an alleged pound of worms through the mail back in June, and placed the entire contents of the container they arrived in, a plastic container similar to a large yogurt tub, in the box. A few days before they arrived, I placed a couple of cups of kitchen scraps (egg shells, coffee grounds, vegetables) in the box. The directions that came with the worms said to leave the entire contents of the tub undisturbed for a couple of days to allow the worms to move out of it in their own time, so that's what I did.

Now, I didn't weigh the package when it arrived, and I didn't inspect the contents to see how many worms were in it. But several times in the last few months I have "fluffed" the contents of the bin to keep it aerated, and I have never seen more than 20 worms. I've kept the moisture somewhat constant, even adding dry leaves and newspaper to absorb moisture when the Soldier flies were at their most active.

Kelly, to whom I am already indebted for all her good advice, says that there should have been upwards of a thousand worms in that pound I bought. I suspect that if it really was a pound of worms, each worm weighed several ounces! If it wasn't for a large infestation of soldier fly larvae, the small group of worms would never have kept up with my kitchen scraps.

I've only seen one egg case in three months. Did I buy too few worms for the size of my box? Can't they find each other in there? Can anyone think of any other reasons why my worms haven't multiplied in the last three months? Multiply!?! It doesn't even look like they can add...

Thanks for any advice, explanations, or anecdotes anyone can give.

Comments (16)

  • MKitten
    18 years ago

    If you put worms in there and they survived, the'll find each other and reproduce. That doesn't really sound like a pound of worms, though, unless it was completely full of worms and no bedding? Or do you mean one of those large yogurt containers? I always think of a pound of worms being about the same size as a pound of hamburger meat -- a really big double handful? My worms came in a bag full of castings, so I wasn't really able to see them either. I just dumped the bag in the bin and left it alone.

    That wasn't much help -- was it? I will say that my bin did not process much until I had been using it for 3-6 months. It takes a while for all the organisms that break things down to populate the bin.

    Good luck,
    Mariann

  • Tooges
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    Thanks for the response, Mariann. The shipping container was probably a quart-size. Maybe three months isn't long enough to see a change in the population. But I haven't seen a single baby worm since I started, so I was wondering if the box was maybe too big. I'll just have to be patient, and see what happens during the fall and winter.

    Thanks again,
    Peter

  • Kelly_Slocum
    18 years ago

    I, too, would question whether or not there was a pound of worms in a container of roughly a quart size. Marianne's description of a pound of worms looking about like a pound of hamburger is right. I would think that a quart container holding one pound of worms and bedding would be a lot of worms and damned little bedding...

    In some cases worms are so stressed by being harvested and packed in shipping material that even if they arrive alive and are subsequently placed in a good environment they do not survive long. As you indicate that you began your system some three months ago, this would have your worms shipping during the month of June, a period during which some worm growers won't ship worms or won't guarantee live delivery due to shipping stress induced by the extreme seasonal heat. It would not be at all surprising were this the reason you're worm population did not perform as you had expected.

    That your system supports/supported a thriving soldier fly population suggests you are/were feeding the system adequately, and it is hardly believeable that any soldier fly inhabited system would be too dry for earthworms, thus it sounds as though the environment is/was not necessarily the problem.

    If your bin is in soil contact and has holes in the floor you might consider waiting a few more weeks to see if, as the season cools and becomes wetter, "wild" worms, which will often become more active with the seasonal change, will find their way in to the system. If you'd like to get the system ramped up more quickly, you might try another worm purchase, looking for a more local source or buying from a vendor who guarantees their worms.

    My two cents...

    Kelly S

    P.S. Pete, where ARE you? You personal info says you live in South Carolina, but your zone is Oregon. Now, I'm no geography whiz kid, but if I recall, those two locations are somewhat distant from eachother, aren't they?...

  • Tooges
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    Thanks for the input, Kelly. Apparently I'm no more of a wiz at setting up my personal account than I am at raising worms! I'm in Hillsboro, Oregon.

    My box is not in contact with the ground. I placed it up on bricks to collect all of the wonderful leachate that I had read about. Then I read your posting on how a well-run box shouldn't have leachate, and even if it does, it's not worth much as fertilizer. So I guess I could place it on the ground. But now that we're entering the frost season, shouldn't I be looking at moving the box into the garage?

    Regardless of how slow the process of populating the bin with worms has been, I've sure been enjoying the other creatures that have been showing up. I've got six or seven spiders living on the underside of the lid and in the corners, making a living off of the fruit flys (and another small black fly that doesn't fly much). I just wish I had a junior high kid who needed a science project. I can think of half a dozen centered on a worm box.

    Thanks again,
    Peter

  • Tooges
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    Not only was the state wrong, my personal info said my favorite forum was Virginia Flowers. I don't even know the woman!

  • MKitten
    18 years ago

    Peter,

    We're practically neighbors -- I'm in Beaverton.

    Mariann

  • djsmurphy
    18 years ago

    And I'm down the road in Salem.

  • Kelly_Slocum
    18 years ago

    And I'm up the road in Vancouver WA. So, Anyone up for a coffe at a centrally located Starbucks one day?

    Kelly S

  • Tooges
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    It would be a real treat to meet over a cup of coffee with some worm wranglers who know what they're doing. My father always told me that "No one is completely worthless; they can always serve as a bad example." So I could provide at least that much to the conversation! Name the time and place, and I'll do my best to make it.

    Peter

  • sylvie
    18 years ago

    Peter,

    Your father has a lot of wisdom . I never thought about that way. I'm impressed!

    Sylvie

  • vermicathvic
    18 years ago

    This has very little to do with location ..unless anyone wants to drop into Victoria, Australia, for a cuppa!

    Back to the wooden Box ...We are having a hard rubbish collection in my suburb soon ... O how I love this recycling time. My next project is to make a worm bin out of wood.

    A few people on this forum have refered to Kelly,s basic wooden bin. Now as a guide line, can anyone point me in the right direction, '"Would't mind checking out Kelly's bin" Now onto my 4th bin .. my worms are moving in the right direction...... no one told me worms could be so addictive.

    Cath.

  • Tooges
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    Hi Cath,

    The box I built was almost identical to the one described in 'Worms Eat My Garbage.' Here's a link to the plans. I built mine out of 'found' lumber, some of which was past its prime, so I don't know how long the box will last. But it was pretty simple and fast to put together, and the cost was almost nil.

    Peter

    Here is a link that might be useful: University of California

  • vermicathvic
    18 years ago

    Peter
    This morning, my 7 yld. son hid the car keys which happened to have the key to get into work ... he didn't want to go to school. Managed to survive that one. Then I went to a few book stores looking for "Worms Eat My Garbage" Got two different stories ... not available in Australia.

    Yesterday found drowned worms in my C.O,W ...BUT THE LIGHT OF MY DAY ... my printer was just out of coloured ink and I printed out your info.

    Thanks Heaps.

    Cath.

  • sqh1
    18 years ago

    Cath..Go to "wormwoman.com". You should be able to buy the book there.

  • fadoodle
    18 years ago

    Cath, does Amazon.com provide service in Australia? I know they carry the book.

  • vermicathvic
    18 years ago

    Thanks Guys,

    Wormwoman.com. What a treasure.

    This will do me for awhile.

    Will get the book ... thanks to you guys, heading me in the right direction.

    Cath

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