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300 yr old house, minimal upkeep, what hidden issues to look for?

kamereone
7 years ago

Ye Olde New England Colonial Farmhouse, dry-stacked foundation, monster central chimneys, weights in the windows, wells, barn, thatched walls, plastered walls, wide board siding and floors, exposed beams, the whole nine yards.
...and the poor thing hasn't had a hands-on "honey" to "honey-do" anything resembling maintenance since Great Grampy passed back in the in the 80s.
I know it was foreclosed upon five different times in the early 1900s before GGramps bought it in the 50s. So we're talking 70 out the past 100 or so years of questionable upkeep.
The only care in the past couple decades has been the grandson, who comes by to mow and rake the lawn (progressively smaller each year as the brush takes over) empty the mouse and snake traps, clear snow, and other little light bulb, drippy faucet aerator sort of things.
Gran supposedly has had professionals come over now and again to do tree work, termite repellant things, and check the furnace (which was a huge cast iron old school beast and they convinced her to replace it with a modern one which has been replaced three times in as many years - aaahhggg!). Exterior was supposedly painted "recently" but you couldn't tell, there's more paint chips on the ground than the house. Overall, not much faith in the 'pros' who could just be someone's cousin's neighbor's kid for all I know.
I'm pretty handy with tools and ladders, just have no idea what to do with a house that's not the typical 2x4 and drywall sort of deal.
Thus far I've replaced the broken panes in the storm windows (stripped reglazed refinished), and have cleared all the plant life and leaf debris from up against the house, as well as started a campaign against the encroaching brush line of invasives. Gutters are next, but after that .... ?
What sort of things might be wreaking havoc unseen?
There is evidence of past leaks so that's what's on my mind, but I haven't the slightest clue how to confirm they've been properly repaired or check for active leaks.
Exterior badly needs paint, but I suspect there are things that ought to be checked/done prior?

Obviously the easy way is to call a professional, but I suspect repairs will take a serious hunk of change so would like to exhaust the 'simple stuff' that I can easily identify myself - however, please do suggest what sort of credentials I should look for in this scenario.

THANK YOU for reading this far, it's a daunting project but I've already learned a lot in my reading and look forward to learning more here!



p.s. Is there a sort of "log" or "journal" section on here, or does anyone have a good suggestion for one? I keep thinking it might be a wise idea and haven't gotten around to it.

Comments (10)

  • kamereone
    Original Author
    7 years ago

    Roof is shingles, on top of what, I don't know. Attic is exposed so I can check up there, though its got a lot of history on it... Might leave some "indicators" (TP with marker that runs when wet) in areas that look (recently) suspect.

    My bigger concern is water getting in other places - noticed some rot in a couple window sills, which jut out considerably, along with the window frames themselves.

    Luckily plumbing is only in the 1850s wing, and not over any of the original structure. But it is certainly a problem, given the number of patches of exposed and degraded plywood I can see while precariously perched on a listing toilet...

    Golf ball will confirm and quantify floor slant, but what then does that data tell me?

  • PRO
    Anglophilia
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    You have bought a money pit. Be prepared.

  • User
    6 years ago

    My suggestion is start with things that affect the structure of the house, water infiltration is the biggie, rot and insect damage.Get a good book on repairing windows and frames and use it to save those irreplaceable windows. The golf ball test will tell you if there is normal settling or insufficient floor support. As for the yard the most important is to ensure that the yard drains away from the house. These areas need immediate attention. Then tackle electrical and plumbing, depending on your capabilities consider using professionals.

    Live with the house before tackling the ascetics. You may find that will give you time to imagine better ways to tackle issues. Some pics would be great to see what you're dealing with.

  • lazy_gardens
    6 years ago

    Your BIG need would be to get a roofer that has worked on old houses to evaluate what you have for a roof. And fix it ...

    The rotting windows - probably caulk fell out and was not replaces, or the slope of the sill shifted and was not fixed.


  • kjo_tx
    6 years ago

    One option for a journal / log book sort of thing is Owner Builder Book. They have construction journals from people who are working on their own projects without a contractor. My dad has kept several when working on our houses, and although they aren't the most aesthetically pleasing website, it may be a good fit if you are looking to write about your projects.

    https://www.ownerbuilderbook.com/blogs/


  • rwiegand
    6 years ago

    The good news is that many of the bad things that might have happened already have. If the roof is tight my primary concern would be bugs. Termites in the sills, and anywhere else, powderpost beetles, and or carpenter ants.

    I'd start in the basement and work up to the attic poking around with an icepick to look for soft wood, looking for any exit holes from powderpost beetles, unexplained piles of sawdust, mud tracks up any of the walls, or any of the other signs of bugs.

    Sill replacement would be the most common need on a building like this, fortunately it is not as hard as it appears initially if the foundation is sound.

    kamereone thanked rwiegand
  • kamereone
    Original Author
    6 years ago

    Uploading pictures is such a pain, sorry for poor quality, just a quick sampling of what I'm dealing with.

    view of the roof from the attic


    north side of the house


    south side; seems odd the windows are so proud without any roofline overhang


    first floor, south end, old water damage


    first floor, drooping ceiling


    Thanks everyone for their feedback so far

  • ldstarr
    6 years ago

    Love your photos. Your primary concern is water infiltration, as others have said. That means check hard, and repair/replace the roof. Also, double and triple check the slope of the yard surrounding the home and make sure it drains away from the foundation. Then when those items are taken care of, you can start repairing window sills, sashes, door sills etc. If you want a book that touches on many different aspects of the old home evaluation and repair, consider "Renovating Old Houses" by George Nash. Our copy is very worn and proved quite useful at times when we redid our 1838 home.

    Most of your photos show little of concern to me. DO NOT let some roofer convince you that you need a ridge vent. They'll either install it, and it will be useless or they'll cut into your ridge pole. Whatever ventilation the house has had for the past 300 years was/is working just fine. And DO NOT insulate.

    The photos of the interior mostly just show plaster that has broken keys. That is quite repairable.

    Finally, I'd say that the peeling paint is from one of several possible causes. It could be water infiltration. Pay extra attention to the siding to roof transition. Your next possible problem, is that some misguided person may have plugged up vents/cracks that allowed the interior air to flow up thru the house. Now the moisture created by living is migrating thru the walls. That could be the cause of the paint peeling. The last possible issue could simply be poor preparation prior to the painting. All areas must be scraped down to bare wood or a very firmly attached prior layer of paint. Then apply high quality primer and re-paint.

    Good luck and check back here often. Many of us will enjoy following your progress.

  • Jason
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    My experience is with the 1820 cape I have owned for 10 years. Some words of advice.

    1. You mention the drystack foundation. Is it mortared? My house has the typical fieldstone foundation. When water started to intrude, I had a mason come in to repoint with new mortar. Then, as recommended, look at gutters, downspouts and grading away from the house. Problem solved to the point that when great rains flooded all of the neighbors' (new house) basements, mine was bone dry.

    2. Stay away from new house contractors! The house has withstood time using a style of construction and old systems that are both tried and true and largely incompatible with everything an experienced new house contractor knows how to do (and will recommend to you). Old houses need to breathe. That said, some new ideas work well. Have someone take a look at your chimneys. Old houses can be drafty if you are in a cold area- but a new liner and a wood stove more than compensates. Crumbling chimneys can be addressed and flashing at the roof can be a source of water intrusion.

    3. Look into a contract for pest control. They come out every year and scope out the situation and take care of issues as they arise. Mice were a problem for the prior owners, with cats, the mice are not a problem.

    4. Good job on the windows! Keep the originals. If I had one piece of advice it would be Keep EVERYTHING. Someone will come along and wish you had.

    5. Paint on the North side looks rough- but in a cold winter climate the North side is beaten up and also given the least amount of light to dry things out. Your house is white so temporary spot priming is an easy option.

    It looks like you have a really amazing house. Love to see more photos.