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shiro plum pruning help

100 904
3 years ago

I bought this from a local nursury a few weeks ago and planted it right away.

I think there is new growth on it already - the reddish braches.

It appears like nursury has been pruning it based on the leader that has been cut at 3 ft.

There is 6-8 longer branches at 45 degree angles- do these just need to be tip pruned in spring or do I get rid of some of them all together?

There are a few vertical branches going straight up off these 45 degree branches - those get cut off as well?

Why did the nursury cut the leader? Will it get any taller?

How old do you think this tree is?

Comments (22)

  • Monyet
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Those branches are way too long. Plums will brake them and touch the ground. You need a strong structure, also you need to know what rootstock is used, they can grow big. That center stubb need to be removed, you only need 4 scaffold branches. (Side branches).

  • poncirusguy6b452xx
    3 years ago

    Plums do beter in a open vase limb structure.

    Steve

  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Bob - center stub... u mean the trunk yah? How far above the highest lateral branch should I cut it?

    Thinning to 4 branches and shortening those 4 branches can be done now? How short? Cut em in half or is it based on number of buds?

  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Root stock isn’t on label but it says 12-15ft tall.

  • Monyet
    3 years ago

    Yes, that short stubb, cut it off at a slight angle, it will heal better. You have to pick the best 4 you want to keep. It’s too late now. Wait till fall when all leaves are gone. The cut will seal before winter sets in.

  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Cool - early fall... fix that nub, snip all but 4 branches back to the trunk... then shorten the 4 branches.... this is the first “whorl”

    In spring new growth happens, the whorl gets wider... new leader goes straight up... and next fall I do the same thing to the first whorl... and then do it to the new whorl higher up on the tree?

  • Monyet
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    You do not want a new leader. looking at your tree now, you got plenty branches. If you grow a central leader than you change the tree to a modified central leader tree configuration.

    Go to Google, type in , Vase and modify central leader pictures. Plenty samples there.

  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Hmmm to no new leader... So the 4 branches I select in fall are the 4 branches that will eventually be the entire tree. They will just get longer and bush out a bit over time? Lol - obviously my first fruit tree ;-)

  • Monyet
    3 years ago

    No, they will not get longer as long as you keep an eye on them. This fall you start pruning those 4 scaffold branches back say 10 inches. You will see a lot of smaller side branches developing in the spring. Branches growing straight up( water sprout) you don’t need.

    You have to think, ease of picking. No tall ladders.

  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    So these 4 branches don’t get taller/longer... they r the main structure? Of the tree and new growth will come from this main structure and not the trunk hence the term open center?

  • Monyet
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Right. Those four branches are needed to support a heavy load and not break. Also those 4branches need to grow at 45 degree or 60 degree would be ideal.



  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Awesome. I get it now. Thank you!!!

    Follow up q - why does dwarf or semi dwarf or standard matter at all if you cut the trunk at 30in and let the branches go?

  • Monyet
    3 years ago

    Homeowners for safety reasons should stay away from standard tree’s. Dwarf are a little on the small size, you really don’t have to do anything with them. Semi could still be large tree’s, depending on certain varieties. My advise is semi,s. Where you run into problems is spraying, it is a p. I. t. a ! With large tree’s, especially if you already have gray hair.

  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Thanks the help w this.

    Signed
    The guy w/o any gray hair, yet...

  • Monyet
    3 years ago

    Good for you and good luck.

  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Does anything change with the above if I plan to plant One more plum tree and two cherry trees in this space?

    There is a rock in the grass at the way left side of this image. Cherry tree there.

    Then an olive tree is in the middle and the PMI is on the right.

    Trees would be 15ft apart.

    I’m also thinking about adding an additional cherry and plum for a total of 2 cherry, 2 plum, 1 olive.

    With two plums/cherrys I could either add 2 trees in one hole leaving 15ft from olive or I could do 7ft spacing between each of the 5 trees.

    Thoughts?

  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    PMI was auto correct and should say plum

  • Monyet
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Read more about cherries, they don’t have a long spray cycle but you need to read more about the pain/sorrow with this. I don’t know what zone you’re in, take that in consideration.

    Olive??

  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    im in western WA - zone 8b - what do u mean by spray cycle? Arbequina Olive - planted a whip from the local nursury first thing this spring.... a couple olives are on there. Going to extend the bed that the olive is in and plant caper/lavendar plants around the olive tree. Probably fennel too. - Calling it the mediterranean bed.

  • Monyet
    3 years ago

    One hundred, I don’t nothing about olive, I just don’t know if they can handle the winters.

    I am a zone pusher growing a lot of citrus/ persimmon/figs and a couple others, have a Greenroom, temps stays in the mid sixties winter.

  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Got a meyer lemon, two Persian lime, in pots and then I went a little crazy and picked up 3 banana trees with a pineapple... also in pots... and I’m waiting on a red supreme guava and kumquats now. Told the wife we can eat on the couch in the winter cuz I need the tall kitchen for all this stuff. Lolzzzz

    Just planted two figs - guess I top those in the spring. An Olympia and little ruby.

  • 100 904
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Oh and two coffee plants in pots.