Good luck! I think I see a hint of yellow at the base, which is a good sign. I kinda thought this one had a yellow reverse, but maybe that's variable.

I got 'Gruss an Coburg' last year as my first Pernetiana. Then I looked into them more, and was intrigued. I have a few coming from Burlington Roses this year, and they'll remain pot-pets. 'Catalonia' was one I considered, but then I started ordering things for my cemetery project, and so I decided "no more for me until I get these in the ground." Please do keep us updated as the bloom opens, and through the season as the plant grows.

:-)

~Christopher

If you look up Catalonia on HMF, it might explain the confusion. Evidently there are two roses of that same name, one introduced by Dot (pere) in 1931 - that is the one above. The other one was introduced by what looks like his son, also Dot, in 1982, and is a modern orange HT. Why do they do this? Just to confuse us!

Jackie

Well it looks like your persistance paid off, rare beautiful coloring. Over the last few days I was thinking that intensity of red orange coral is what my garden does not have. I am in search of the just right reddish orange rose, and by george you may have found it for me. Have you seen the seed parent shot silk ? Someday I would like to see it's silky blooms.

Oooh, I have 'Condessa de Sastago' coming next week from Burlington Roses. The other Pernetianas I ordered from her are 'Lady Forteviot', 'Padre', 'President Herbert Hoover', and 'Talisman'. I made a list, but being as I'm in NJ, I wanted to see exactly how bad Pernetianas are before I get more. All will be pot-pets, so hopefully that treatment will get them vigorous enough to fight off blackspot. Apparently, I lucked out by starting with 'Gruss an Coburg', being as that one is often touted as one of the healthiest of the clan.

:-)

~Christopher

For me, the Condessa is just a bit more vigorous and has a bit less blackspot than Gruss an Coberg does, but they both are healthier than many of the hybrid teas that are twenty or thirty years younger than them. On the other hand, in the past I had the ancestor of all pernetianas, Soleil d'Or, and boy howdy, even with the best pot pet care, i could only keep it alive for three years. You know how blackspot is supposed to go dormant when temperatures go above 85 degrees for three days in a row? Well, that doesn't work on Soleil d'Or. Continuous blackspot, only a few blooms in the spring. They were spectacular though..maybe I could grow it as an annual?

Okay, I had to dig thru my hard drive for these, but here they are... I think this was the second summer...

Madame Edouard Herriot and Heinrich Wendland are a few more I love the color of.

Well, 'Catalonia' is certainly handsome -- congratulations -- as is 'Condesa de Santiago'. I am a total sucker for gold/yellow reverses on orange petals. There is something to be said for vigor on own roots with this group. I loved the flowers of 'Duquesa de Penaranda', but the plant just would not get going for me (4 years of staying virtually the same tiny size), and was eventually killed by ants, of all things.

'Gruss an Coburg' is pretty vigorous -- bush in photo below, taken today, is 6' tall, own-root, and I cut it back regularly. Another great one is 'Etoile de Feu' (about 3' after 3 years) but it is quite susceptible to blackspot -- photos below from later in a previous season, as it is currently "indisposed" due to rampant blackspot (though blooming, as always, like a champ). I have a found rose, apparently a Pernetiana, "Lundy's Lane Yellow", that is very vigorous on its own roots (goes to 7' in a season) and hardly susceptible to blackspot at all, it seems. Sadly out of commerce and not quite in bloom yet -- I am planning to do a "study" of it on HMF when it is ready -- a very worthy rose.

P.S. Pernetiana fever is a good thing -- they deserve some attention!

'Gruss an Coburg', today:

'Etoile de Feu', June 2014:

Now deceased, 'Duquesa de Penaranda' 2013 (the flowers were large, 5.5"-- ridiculous on such a small bush)

Thanks, all, for raising the fever...

Last night as it had opened a bit further it was looking a bit like the Condesa, but this morning it had quite a different shape. The fragrance had changed overnight as well, still not terribly strong but more complex. RVR rates it as five fs, their strongest fragrance rating, but at the moment I would give it a moderate one. Of course I know that fragrance changes with climate and the growing conditions of the rose, so am looking forward to how it changes as the rose matures.

So, now that I know the rose is actually Catalonia, I went ahead and ordered El Catala, the rose Griffith Buck created as a tribute for Pedro Dot, who had been something of a mentor for him. Always thought I would do that if I got Catalonia, but waited until then because El Catala didn't seem to be that special except for the historical value...Maybe it will prove me wrong, Buck's roses often surprise me.