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Advice on unmulling factory-mulled windows?

homey_bird
last year

Hello,


I am adding windows to a portion of my midcentury modern house (read: post and beam structure). Turns out a window was ordered wrong, and instead of ordering 2 windows of 2 panes each, a single, 4-pane window was ordered, which is now cutting through a post (and triggering a structural fix that we do not wish to entertain).


The contractor is telling me that he can try to unmull this window on site into two windows. I am wondering if this is a good idea or not, and what are the hidden or obvious risks, pros and cons to doing this.


An obvious pro is that if successful, it will save us the money and hassle of getting additional windows. In terms of con, I suspect that doing this might void the warranty -- but I would not worry too much of it if this operation is safe and does not compromise the window integrity etc.


My main concern is how hard or easy it is, and depending on that whether the windows might end up looking ugly or bandaided etc. This window is by the entry of our house and therefore appearance is important.


Thank you in advance for any thoughts/suggestions/information.


Comments (19)

  • PRO
    toddinmn
    last year

    Should not be a problem if they are individual windows mulled together and use a mainframe. If it has a nail fin that wiuld have to be addressed.


  • PRO
    Mark Bischak, Architect
    last year

    Very carefully

  • PRO
    HomeSealed Exteriors, LLC
    last year
    last modified: last year

    I assume that this is a twin double hung?

    The degree of difficulty in separating will be determined by what type(make and material) of window it is, and how they are mulled. Could range from pretty easy to nearly impossible without damage. Are they vinyl? Wood?

    Secondly, if the unit was measured for the existing mull post to be removed (I presume), then separating them would likely still end up with two windows that are too wide for the individual openings.

    Lastly, is it certain that the existing mull post is structural? Do you have a picture?

  • millworkman
    last year

    Wood? Vinyl? Aluminum Clad? Fiberglass? How were the windows mulled in the factory? If wood is there a continuous one piece sill? Maybe post up a picture or two.

  • homey_bird
    Original Author
    last year

    It is a fiberglass window - Anderson 100 series to be exact. Not sure how they are mulled. My window order simply states “factory mulled”.

    Existing post is structural. It has a beam running over it.

  • PRO
    PPF.
    last year

    It is a fiberglass window


    Andersen 100 series is not fiberglass.

  • homey_bird
    Original Author
    last year

    Ok my bad. It’s Anderson 100. For sure. And you are right it’s some sort of composite material that I was confusing for fiberglass. Anyway. I hope it clarifies the question now.

  • PRO
    GN Builders L.L.C
    last year

    Check with your contractor if the existing windows are separated by the post, most of the time they will cut one header to cover the span of the opening if window separation is 1-3 2X's, if that is the case the post can be removed and you can use a mulled factory window by adjusting the opening.

    That said, in some cases, Anderson windows can be mulled in the field they come with a mull joining and trim stips you can carefully take them apart and all you have to do is add nailing fins.

    But before you do that, contact Anderson service department to make sure the window you got can be disassembled because at times factory-mulled windows cannot be taken apart.

    Good luck

  • millworkman
    last year

    GN Builders advice above is spot on.

  • homey_bird
    Original Author
    last year

    ABC, to my layman eyes it looks like one piece therefore a single window. However the description says it’s a factory mulled window. Contractor thinks he can try to un mull it.
    To answer other questions — the post is for sure structural, if the window is to be used as is then there will be a load bearing beam needed and that will trigger a number of other changes that we do not wish to pursue.

    Thank you for the information. I’ll check with Anderson.

  • homey_bird
    Original Author
    last year
    last modified: last year

    Btw - for what it’s worth, it’s got two middle panes that are fixed and the two side panes are casement style. The mulling seems to be between the two fixed panes.

  • PRO
    GN Builders L.L.C
    last year

    Homey_bird, what I was trying to point out to you is, in most cases when you have a side-by-side window separated by a post like it shown in the image. Post is not a bearing component it is only used to separate the window and have some surface to put the siding, etc in between.


    But if you have something like this and the post separating the 2 headers (which I have never seen anyone framing this way not to mention it makes no sense just a waste of time and lumber)


    in this case good luck with taking that window apart.

  • PRO
    Mark Bischak, Architect
    last year

    Design wise, traditional double-hung windows have counter-weights that occupy space beside each window. Most present day double-hung do not have counter-weights and the space beside each window is not required. If it is desired for the house to have a traditional look, space should be provided on each side of a double-hung window to at least give the appearance of a true traditional double-hung window. Windows mulled together in the factory normally do not provide the space or the appearance of the space for the counter-weights.

    (just a little design tip)

  • millworkman
    last year

    She has casements @Mark Bischak, Architect.

  • homey_bird
    Original Author
    last year

    Ok, so overall everyone is leaning in the direction of "not possible/not easy". Thank you, let me open the packaging and if there are any questions, then I would post with pictures.

    Thank you everyone!! This is helpful.

  • PRO
    HomeSealed Exteriors, LLC
    last year
    last modified: last year

    @homey_bird, before you start tearing anything apart, as I alluded to earlier, check the measurements. If this unit was measured correctly to be installed as one, mulled unit, then separating these windows will result in units that are too wide to be installed in those individual openings anyway. I would say that Andersen 100's have a fairly decent chance of being able to be separated without issue, but again, they may not fit anyway.

    Also, not to belabour the point, but @GN Builders L.L.C gave some nice illustrations of what I also mentioned above, which is that the presence of a mull post under a header or beam doesn't automatically mean that it is structral, and in fact it often is not. The only time I generally see that (IE: the second illustration posted by GN) is on very wide openings where a taller header would be needed to span the width without breaking up the opening.

    Do you have photos of the opening in question? That would help.

  • PRO
    PPF.
    last year

    Plenty of info on the Andersen website.


  • fissfiss
    last year

    Frustrating, and especially with the delays involved…but to preserve the warranty, I would bite the bullet and order the correct windows. Whoever made the initial mistake should be forgoing at least their markup…
    Donate the surplus windows to someone like Habitat for Humanity, and claim the deduction.