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Looking for Thoughts/Advice on My Limited Tomato Options

blackwyldroamer
7 years ago

Greetings all!

I live in a Zone 2b/3a area in Northern Canada. This season will be my first attempt growing
tomatoes in over fifteen years and my first time growing solely in containers.

I will be constructing my own SIPs (Earthtainer/EarthBox
style planters) that will range in size from about 18 to 30 gallons.

While I would love to start a dialogue on the ins and
outs of SIPs, my main query I have for all you wonderful tom lovers is this:

Would you be willing to help me choose from the extremely
limited selection of tomato varieties that I will have access to this season?

Factors that limit my tomato options are:

-Currently being
in a situation where I am unable to start my own seeds. (Grrr..)

-Living in a town
with only one nursery. (Nearest other nursery option is over a 4 hour drive
away.)

-Local department
stores will eventually bring up some stock but the plants they carry are
usually not appropriate for our short growing season and arrive in poor
condition.

I have a list of the toms that my local nursery will be
providing. If anyone has experience with
any of the listed varieties I would love to hear your opinions as I had a hard
time finding information on a couple. I
have set aside two planters for toms so would like to narrow the list down
to three, or possibly four, plants.

Here is the list: (Note. This is what was EXACTLY written on the thumb
trays. Some are painfully vague.)

Beef Steak (Yup… JUST Beef Steak.)

  • Cobra G.H.
    (I am assuming GH stands for Greenhouse.)
  • Sub Arctic
  • Ultra Sweet
  • Roma
  • Lemon Boy
  • Camelia GH
  • Sweet 100
  • Tumbler
  • Tiny Tim

I have read that Tumbler and Tiny Tim may do well in
baskets so I may try one or both of those as I have lots of hanging space.
What are your opinions on narrowing down the other eight
for my planters? I am thinking of
avoiding the “Beef Steak” altogether.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts and patience.

Comments (9)

  • digdirt2
    7 years ago

    I have grown Cobra 2x and it does fine outside as well as in the GH. It isn't especially large fruit, not what I'd call a true slicer, but much larger than a cherry type and has a good average (not great) flavor. While it wouldn't be one of my first choices, given your limited options it is well wroth growing.

    Roma in containers is very prone to BER issues but if you can keep the soil moisture levels consistent it is an ok paste-type tomato.

    Sweet 100 is a huge!! plant but also produces hundreds of cherry tomatoes that are quite good.

    And Lemon Boy, if you like yellow tomatoes, can be excellent.

    Dave

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  • donna_in_sask
    7 years ago

    I'm in the same zone (2b) and I grow all sorts of tomatoes, even the heirlooms that require a longer season. From your list, there appears to be a lot of cherry/small tomatoes, I've grown the Sweet 100 and it was an enormous plant that produced masses of cherry tomatoes...I prefer Sungold/Sunsugar for taste and sweetness. Big Beef is very commonly sold and would be a good choice for a general use tomato.

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  • Kansas Farm Girl - Shell - South of KC
    7 years ago

    From your list I would narrow it down to these three (besides the basket varieties). 1) Sweet 100 has a very large habit and is very productive cherry. 2) I think Sub Arctic is a very early bush determinate. Interesting variety with medium size fruits. 3) Lemon Boy F1 is fairly early and a nice yellow variety. It has a medium size habit for us.

    Shell 6A

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  • blackwyldroamer
    Original Author
    7 years ago

    Thank you all for taking the time to share your thoughts
    with me. I love hearing everyone’s
    opinions and greatly appreciate it.

    Looks like there is a decent consensus on the Sweet 100
    so I will definitely give that one a try. Although,
    I have to admit, the purported size of the plant intimidates me a bit. I had originally hoped to try to stick with
    just determinate varieties this year but I am going to just scrap that. I will just give the Sweet 100 a 20-30 gallon
    SIP to itself and invest in a sturdy staking setup.

    I am not really interested in tomatoes for “slicing” I
    don’t think my landlords are either; although they are very excited for cherry
    tomatoes.

    Any other plants I choose will be used mostly for salsa
    and sauces which makes me initially lean towards planting a Roma. BER worries me but I am hoping that a SIP will
    help me in keeping my soil moisture as consistent as possible.

    Do you think Cobra, Lemon Boy, or Sub Arctic would work
    okay for sauces?

    I think Lemon Boy would
    make a very interesting salsa. I can’t say whether or not I like yellow tomatoes
    as I have no experience with them.

    Do you think Sweet 100 would work for a sweet basil
    marinara?

    Our nursery always used to carry Early Girl but, for some
    reason, they don’t have it this year.

    We had a farmer that used to come up biweekly to sell
    produce and he often had Sungolds. They
    always sold out fast and really helped me start liking fresh tomatoes. (I had no idea they could taste so sweet!)

    I will be haunting the local Cnd Tire and other stores
    closer to planting time to see what they have and if any of it is worth paying
    money for.

    Unfortunately, I have no space available for starting or
    nurturing plants like toms inside. I am
    currently renting a small bachelor style basement suite that walks directly out
    to the back yard. I have one large east
    facing window but no room for any type of grow setup at the moment.

  • blackwyldroamer
    Original Author
    7 years ago

    Hello all. I just
    wanted to let you know of a happy-ish, maybe, development.

    My local SaveOn Foods brought in some veggie plants this
    week and they had a small collection of tomato plants; Brandywine (No mention
    of strain just “Heirloom”), Cherokee Purple, La Roma 111, and one other that I
    cannot remember the name of at this moment.

    I was shopping with my landlords; they are not major
    gardeners but are very excited with my ideas for the yard and are eager to
    monopolize on my tomato efforts. They decided
    to buy a Brandywine as their contribution to the grow effort.

    I am not sure how it is going to fair as it is still
    going to be about a month before it will be planted outside permanently. They are keeping it at their place, next to
    an east facing window, until it can go outside.
    I am not sure if that is going to be sufficient light so the Brandywine will
    be a sort of experiment. From what I
    have read about this ‘mater I am not getting my hopes up.

    I am wondering if it is worth it to pick up one or two of
    the other varieties to try or if I should just hold on to my money and wait for
    the surer bet of the local nursery plants.

    If the Brandywine survives I will plant it and try; Sweet
    100, Roma, and Lemon Boy.

    We will see what the future brings as more stores stock
    up on plants. J

  • gorbelly
    7 years ago

    Brandywine is a late tomato and not a big producer for most people, although the tomatoes you will get will be delicious. I am concerned that you won't get much production to speak of in your zone.

    Cherokee Purple is delicious and is mid-season around here for me. People report production from stingy to high. It's moderate-high production for me.

    Re: your original list, +1 on the Sweet 100, and I'd go with Lemon Boy. Yes, you can make sauce and salsa out of it. You can make sauce with any tomato--it's just that the non-paste ones will have a higher moisture content so will require longer cooking to get the extra water out (or you can try what I do and oven roast the tomatoes first to ditch some of the moisture that way). I actually really like salsa made with yellow or orange tomatoes, personally.

  • tarolli2011
    7 years ago

    The most important thing for you to consider in choosing cultivars is days-to-maturity.

    With very few exceptions, most open-polinated ripen very late. In your zone, you may not get any fruit before frost with an OP.

    Make your selections primarily on DTM. However, I understand that sun-artic has short DTM, but not much taste.

    Don't put much money into growing Brandywine: late, few fruit, uneven ripening so that each fruit is half-ripe, half-green. Don't expect much fruit, if any.

    Tiny Tim is a shade-lover. Taste is not special, but it grows where no other tomato lives. Great to put your own tomatoes in salads. Lots of tomatoes for the small size. Depending on pot size, it is 1-2 feet tall. It is happy all year even in a north window.

    The sweet 100's are much smaller plants: normal height (6-8 ft here), but not nearly as wide and husky. You can grow two or more of them in the space taken by one Brandywine or Sungold.

    You could probably still mail-order some Early Girls, which are more cold-tolerant than most cultivars: they start earlier and end later. You get more fruit from a plant because of EG's longer growing season, and it is great to get the ripe tomatoes late. Tolerates being potted well.

  • Laurie Mansell Dyer
    7 years ago

    You could think about purchasing some plants online, you'd have more choices.