Dave, wow. That is one bunch of fruit and grown right where you are. You should be proud Dave. Is that one of the trees you keep in a colder environment all winter? Not bad)

All of the Xie Shan shown in Dave's photo are fully mature and ready to eat. Many mandarins/satsumas are eatable while still green.

I may try one, but I have found the longer they stay on the tree, the sweeter they get.

Dave what you write may be somewhat true depending on any heat units accumulated. However, at this time of year those units would be rather slim.

Very nice Dave mine is another year away from fruiting, I can't wait to try them.

Way to go Dave! They look delicious!

I hope i can take a pic like that next year. great pic dave, can you take a pic of the whole tree? Mine grows in a sort of weeping habit, so ive tried to stake up a main trunk. Curious how yours looks.

I just ate one of my okitsu wase satsuma's just starting to turn :)

Davie in NoVA N.Virgina .ZONE 7A I got problem of the people not fully understanding the lemons I have access to is where I shop for m groceries at and alot of the lemonvarieties they mention I have access to so I have to workwith what have access to and those varieties are not cold hardy and they have a failure to realize my desire to grow and develop cold hardy lemons from what can get a hold of at Kroger from seeds what am I to do for I have know real citrus growing experience so what am I to do

HOWARD, just do what you want to do. There are a number of ways to obtain knowledge on growing citrus.

• Reading books and online info
• Taking classes
• Advice from others more experienced than you
• Your own experimentation

You are taking the fourth route. So, that's fine.

I think everyone understands what you are hoping to accomplish, and what your limitations are.

limitations can be pushed even though it will not be easy but most of the lemon varieties you all mentioned I have no access to an I'm poor man I even have to fill my pots with clay or decayingleaves and I finally got some commercial fertilizer because my clay soilis is poor I have to push what I have to work with so please I don't need discouragement need encouragement

Silica

Stan McKenzie says that cool to cold nights actually create more sugars in the mandarins. We'll see.

Beautiful Dave, can't wait for taste review. Howard, at this point nobody gives a damn and its poor etiquette to go ranting on about your damn seeds again during another persons more interesting Xie Shan post.

bklyn citrus (zone 7B)

I tried one and it was 'meh'. Not enough flavor, tartness or sweetness. But it's still a young plant. My 'Armstrong' took a while and now it's producing really good fruit. But I also wonder if maybe I over fertilized it.

that will tell on you if you did over fertilize

Dave, hopefully the "Meh" will change over the next few years. Or you'll be joining Team red (Moro and Caras).

I'm just being strictly honest when you over fertilizing will the will eventually tell on yu if yu did and things will eventually show if u did

Ken, there's always room for some 'Reds'. LOL!

HOWARD, I do not understand your statement at all. Can you check spelling and use punctuation?

other wise if you over fertilize things will show it in many ways