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Ann could I have your opinion on this growth please?

I have several times screwed up on others photos. At times can't tell what to think on my own plants. I'm happy I cut my last odd growth out as there was a cane bore causing it to grow so oddly.

This growth is new to me and don't know what to make of it. It was found on Take It Easy. The rose was planted last spring but is still only a foot tall.

The lateral in question was 10 inches long. I take note of my rose no less than twice a day. Easy while gathering beetles. I check around the whole rose and top to bottom. This was not noticeable yesterday.

The lateral was fatter than the cane it grew from. All leaf shape was good except for the bottom set. They were skinny. The cane was green but all leaves were very dark red. None showed any signs of greening. The thorn placement was okay just red but thats not that unusual in robust growth. All were rubbery cane was rubbery. In the ten inch growth it had started six laterals. Two at the very top next to the bud.

Could this be normal growth? I already removed it because I don't even like this rose I'm sorry to say. My apologizes to those who do.


Comments (6)

  • Patty W. zone 5a Illinois
    Original Author
    7 years ago

    Here are the rest of the photos.




  • stillanntn6b
    7 years ago

    Those are vicious looking thorns, regardless.

    I probably would have left it to see how long it took the leaves to turn to green. What I would have done today was take off that bud (painful to take off a bud anytime) and I would check to see if all the sexual parts are there. Often with RRD the receptacle is missing. Sometimes the stamens and ovules aren't there. It's probably too young to look for anthers on this bud, but the receptacle should have formed already.

    The bottom leaves being subsized don't bother me, they often are. I am bothered by the close grown (short internodal distances) but the leaves up by the bud.

    I don't know what Take It Easy looks like when it blooms one bud per stem.
    This is something that is a genetic thing. And it ties to some exhibitors. I've talked with international rose show judges who complain that members of the ARS like their blooms to be way above the foliage except for a couple of smaller compound leaves; in Australia, for example, foliage goes up and all but caresses the bloom (and cultivars are chosen that look like this.) What I'm getting to is that TIE could be a rose where the foliage goes all the way up the stem. I'm seeing that on some of my more recent floribundas and am trying to get used to it.

    As I wrote before, I probably would have left it and it would have bothered me. I'd be going on Google photos to try to find just the right photo to tell me what normal is for this cultivar.

    Good luck.


    Ann


  • Patty W. zone 5a Illinois
    Original Author
    7 years ago

    Thank you so very much for looking. Yes it's true by removing it I'll most likely not know for a while to come if it was rrv or not. I certainly had not had the rose long enough for an idea of typical growth or coloring on a robust cane. Could not stand to leave on.

  • dublinbay z6 (KS)
    7 years ago

    Ann, you mentioned that you would have waited to "see how long it took the leaves to turn to green." How long is a reasonable time to wait? I'm eyeing a rose that is putting out a couple red-leafed side "branches" off the main cane. You know, "does that look normal or is there something wrong with those branches" kind of dilemma. It has just been a few days now that I noticed that growth and I was telling myself to wait and see--but I really have no idea how long it takes a new red cane/leaves to turn green.

    Thanks.

    Kate

  • stillanntn6b
    7 years ago

    The worst "doesn't change color" scenario was up at the Lincoln Memorial Rose Garden (now bulldozed). One floribunda never turned green, it stayed magenta...even the canes..although the rose petals turned pink.

    In midsummer, I wait for rain or watering + five or six days with some sun. I also put a lot of faith in what the leaf margins look like, because those get set (the pattern of the edge) gets set early and when they flatten out, it's easier to check.

    My panic two weeks ago when I saw some really bad growth out on a cane and at two nodes down the canes on the same side (other side of the cane wasn't affected)...that cane got pulled off immediately...anyway that bush had four basal breaks. Fortunately I had another of that cultivar and it had four new basal breaks as well. But the color of those basals (in the shade of the leaves ) was a distressing bronzy color. It took a week for them to green up in their shaded location. But, for now, both bushes are growing about the same. And nothing bad is coming out from where I took off the cane.
    We've had a lot of rain with thunder and lightening...and that's spurring growth. I keep checking the base of the rose with the immediate cane removal.